I bought a stolen Gun

[Oyeboten]

Oh...and not "NICS"...


On the Card, he wrote "NIC".


Lol...


Too may alpahatebt agencies for my taste, already...


But a Criminal Information Database, would not be a place for running the Serial Numbers of Guns, would it? Wouln't it be for running people?

 

[Wolfebyte]

NIC is the number that article/weapon/vehicle as being entered into NCIC.

The operator will get a confirmation number Gxxxxxxxxxxxx for a weapon, Axxxxxxxxxxx for an article or Vxxxxxxxxxxxx for a vehicle.. etc..

and yes, persons get NIC numbers as well, once they are entered into NCIC..

 

[mgkdrgn]

And there are still people that think it's unreasonable for an FFL to get some kind of ID copy from a person unknown to them that is shipping them a gun ...

 

[Rittmeister]

Glad to see things happening on the up-and-up. I had a pistol stolen from my apartment eight years ago, and I continue to hope that someday it will find its way back to me; my granddad brought it home from Germany. I still have the matching spare mag (stamped with the pistol's serial number) to prove ownership.

 

[akodo]

nevermind

 

[Defense Minister]

The NICS check does NOT include the transmission of the gun's serial number. Its strictly limited to information in connection with the buyer.

Every time I have purchased a firearm from a dealer, I have heard him give the make, model, caliber, and serial # over the phone to the Oregon State Police when doing the NICS check.

 

[Oyeboten]

NIC is the number that article/weapon/vehicle as being entered into NCIC.

The operator will get a confirmation number Gxxxxxxxxxxxx for a weapon, Axxxxxxxxxxx for an article or Vxxxxxxxxxxxx for a vehicle.. etc..

Ohhhhhhh, okay...


Yes, the 'NIC' # I was given begins with a "G" prefix.


Thanks Wolfebyte...

 

[birdshot8's]

if this was a gun bought from a police department, i have a hard time believing the serial number of the gun had not been previously ran or ran several times.
having had some experience with ncic and serial numbers, i found some gun serial numbers are the same. ie. a revelation shotgun has matching serial number with remington rifle. also officers often entered the model number instead of the serial number. this was common with the store guns. when an officer gets a hit on a serial number officer should verify gun is exactly the same.

 

[BigO01]

Quote:
No conspiracies, no black helicopters.

God, it's nice to hear some common sense from time to time.

KR

Isn't it though !

Fact is cops , gun store owners and even government employees are all just people and people make mistakes , sometimes even HUGE mistakes that cause folks some very bad things .

I remember years ago after buying a car and getting the plates and following the laws to the letter on a Friday sitting on my front porch that weekend Sunday morning reading the paper and having a local police officer stops in front of my driveway and calls to me and when I walked towards his car he asks me "Why do you have truck plates on your car? " .

The state had just that year made some changes in the colors used on the plates so I didn't know this and asked him if he was sure and told him the whole story and showed all my paperwork to him .

He tells me he is sure and I should take care of it ASAP so I called in to work Monday morning to let them know I would be late and went to the license office and sure enough the lady who had help me helped me again and she had indeed made a mistake giving me the wrong plates , told me she wasn't feeling well on Friday and apologized for the mistake she made .

Life goes on .

 

[Weevil]

Yeah but that kinda stuff is only supposed to happen to other people not me!!!

 

[Kirbyc]

Something like this happened to me several years ago. Bought a camera on the big auction site. Several months later I received an email from some police department (don't remember where) asking me if I had won auction number whatever it was for a particular camera. I looked up my records and sure enough, I was the proud owner. The letter stated that the camera had been stolen by an employee of some company. The company didn't want it back, just wanted the information so that they could prosecute(sp?) the now former employee.

 

[mgkdrgn]

Every time I have purchased a firearm from a dealer, I have heard him give the make, model, caliber, and serial # over the phone to the Oregon State Police when doing the NICS check.

Then it is the Oregon State Police asking for that, not NICS. The only thing on the NICS form that has anything to do with the firearm being purchased is the check box for Handgun, Long gun, and other. I do my NICS checks on-line.

 

[Guns and more]

If the 1997 owner, or if they have passed on by now, then, their estate, heirs or assigns are not findable, or are indifferent about it's return, I wonder if I could get it back?

No, the cops will keep it until they sell it to some dealer who will put it on Gunbroker..............and.......

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Absolutely, good title is implied at an auction/sale like that - the seller is fully responsible to you to refund your purchase price, just as whomever sold it to him is likewise responsible to him for a refund, and so on.

Secondly, NICS ain't got nothing to do with serial numbers and registration. So it wasn't the NICS check per se, but rather the 'registration' which you mention, which they evidently do all together in your state - just a small point of clarification.

You have a good attitude, and hopefully the old man is glad to have it back.

 

[SSN Vet]

another good reason for buying new...

I've purchased used three times and each time I've had "issues"...

Not with clear title, but rather with malfunction and undisclosed modifications.

I'll buy a lot of things used... but I shy away from used firearms.

 

[heeler]

Hmm...Stolen?
I won a bid on GB back in Feb. of this year on a Ruger Security Six.
Great price.
However the seller was a pawn shop with decent feed back.
Some how some way the police did not catch the stolen part of things when he gave them the serial number before he put it up for sale as is required in most states until after he put it up for bid.
The day after I won it they notified the pawn shop that it was stolen.
So the deal did not go through and my credit card that I paid for it was credited.
He lost the gun and the money he gave for it.
I am just glad this came to light before it got transferred to me.

 

[NMGonzo]

Similar thing happened to a friend of mine many years ago - he bought a H-D motorcycle at a police auction, got the title, etc. It needed some work so he had it off the road for a few months. Low and behold, he goes to license/register it, and it comes up stolen. Seems it had been confiscated in a raid on a local biker gang, been used by undercover cops in a sting op, then sent to the impound yard were it sat for a couple of years before being put up for auction.

Needless to say, my friend lost the bike and his money....

So, the police department knowingly sold stolen merchandise.

Sounds like PA to me

 

[NMGonzo]

I buy used all the time.

From people I know.

 

[CoRoMo]

...around here (Oklahoma) ANY used gun that comes into a shop has the serial number recorded and the local PD drops by once a week and picks up the slips.

...all handguns in Clark County (Nevada) have to be registered with Metro PD.

We are required to register handguns in Michigan.

Every time I have purchased a firearm from a dealer, I have heard him give the make, model, caliber, and serial # over the phone to the Oregon State Police...

Wow. I've got to go out and kiss the dirt I live on. I couldn't imagine being a licensee, doing transfers out of my house, if I lived in Oklahoma. Cops coming around weekly to abscond with the serial numbers of the transfers I've made. It's post like those above that give me a more detailed illustration of the freedom that I have. Wow.

 

[ol' scratch]

It sounds like everything worked out for you-full refund. What a great seller. It sounds like he was the one who was burned.

 

[Guns and more]

Every time I have purchased a firearm from a dealer, I have heard him give the make, model, caliber, and serial # over the phone to the Oregon State Police when doing the NICS check.

I live in Florida, and here the dealer or FFL never gives out any information other than "Long gun" or, "handgun".

 

[Grey_Mana]

If you paid with a credit card, check your cc agreement - you may have coverage against this type of loss.

 

[tpaw]

If the 1997 owner, or if they have passed on by now, then, their estate, heirs or assigns are not findable, or are indifferent about it's return, I wonder if I could get it back?

If the police still have it in their custody and do not need it anymore, and you are licensed, with the permission of the next of kin, providing there is no will giving it to someone else, yes you can get it back. If it's willed to someone, that person can also pass it on to you through proper procedure depending on state law and interstate shipment to a dealer in your state if your not in the same state as the owner and the revolver.

 

[Deanimator]

another good reason for buying new...

So, where do I go to buy a new S&W N frame without a lock?

 

[Hardtarget]

My son's home was "burgled". His pistol was stolen. Filled out all the proper paper work. Three years later he gets a notification that his gun had been recovered. He calls to start the process to get it back....and was informed that his gun had been melted. They held it for a year,without notifying him, melted it, then sent the note to him. tried to tell him he should have called before the year was up. When he proved they sent the notification to him two days before his contact...they cut him a check for the value of the gun. Funny how things work.

Don't plan on seeing that gun again.

Mark