I dont need no stinking CCW!

[The Real Hawkeye]

Art, my outrage had more to do with them wanting an update (at my expense, no less) on my job changes. I used to rack my brain trying to figure out why they would want to know that information just because I have a concealed handgun permit. Never have been able to figure it out, except that maybe they think they might want to revoke my permit at any given time (No shall issue in NY - instead it's at their pleasure), and they would like to be able to show up at the work place to confiscate my license, and escort me to my residence to turn in my weapons. It all seemed very 1984ish to me. Glad I'm out of there.

 

[Art Eatman]

Yeah, the job thing is indeed a bit much.

TallPine, Texas won't accept a PO Box anymore. They get all nervous when I try to explain about the absence of streets or street names where I live. A few people have named their own jeep trails, but nothing's formal.

I have a distance and compass direction from the post office on my DL. Then they moved the PO; there's a different mileage on my CHL. Regardless, good luck on finding my place without help.

Art

 

[gunner03]

I know thay would make a real mess of things at this point,but
as a constitutional right shoulden't the feds.be upholding the law nationwide?
I know the states reserved certian rights but didn't think they overruled the constitution!

 

[Vern Humphrey]

TRH, I don't know about other states, but Texas has ALWAYS wanted you to update your driver's license whenever you move to a different address. Just guessing, but I'd bet most other states are the same.

Same with Arkansas -- you are supposed to update your driver's license, nursing license, medical license, concealed handgun license, and so on when you move. Not that anyone really cares, but when you use a license and they ask to check your driver's license, they have to agree.

We had an address change due to adoption of enhanced 911 -- from a post-office-assigned box number, I went to a street address. I just waited until my Driver's license expired and updated everything at the same time.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

gunner03 Said: I know thay would make a real mess of things at this point, but as a constitutional right shoulden't the feds be upholding the law nationwide?

What law are you referring to? The only "law" I can think of that you might be referring to is the Second Amendment to the US Constitution. Since this was an amendment to the US Constitution, unless it states otherwise, it is presumed therefore to be a limitation on what the United States (i.e., Federal) Government can do, not on what the States can do.

I know the states reserved certian rights but didn't think they overruled the constitution!

The States reserved more than just a few "rights" (more correctly termed "powers"). In fact, whatever power is not delegated to the US Government via the US Constitution belongs to the States, and to the people of the States (See, e.g., the Tenth Amendment). As for overruling the Federal Government, the Supremacy Clause to the US Constitution states only that where the Federal Government is given exclusive power over something, the States cannot make laws which conflict with Federal laws in that area. Since the Constitution gives the Federal Government authority over very little domestically, this should rarely ever become an issue. It should only be an issue if, for example, Maine declared war on Germany in 1939. That would be a violation of the Supremacy Clause because the US Constitution gives exclusive power to the US Congress to declare war.

 

[Tropical Z]

denfoote you are certifiable!
and.....uuhhh....by the way
HI-POINTS RULE!!!!!!!

 

[jrpeterman]

I think that Alaska and Vermont are on the right track as far as recognizing a citizen's 2nd Am. rights. The whole shall issue CCW for states has been just another way for the states to raise additional revenue with very little risk. If the states' budgets weren't in such dire straits, I don't think that the legislatures would be as apt to support CCW for the common law abiding Joes and Janes. Just my opinion.

 

[RealGun]

gunner03 Said: I know thay would make a real mess of things at this point, but as a constitutional right shoulden't the feds be upholding the law nationwide?

What law are you referring to? The only "law" I can think of that you might be referring to is the Second Amendment to the US Constitution. Since this was an amendment to the US Constitution, unless it states otherwise, it is presumed therefore to be a limitation on what the United States (i.e., Federal) Government can do, not on what the States can do.

Yes they should, and they should be citing the 14th Amendment. They won't currently until someone successfully gains the appeal ruling that the 14A applies to the States in every detail. It cites no exceptions. In the meantime, the Constitution DOES NOT mean what it says, because the feds (and the ACLU) don't want it to mean what it says, at least not when it comes to the 2A. I understand that there is substantial evidence of that and won't offer any research.

BTW the acronym for a license IS NOT CCW. Try CHL, Texas having the best term for a "concealed handgun license".

 

[leo68]

I live in New Hampshire, where a permit is not need to buy handguns and rifles, permit is only needed for ccw and requires no finger prints, no photographs, and no safety course, believe the cost to residents is $10.00 for 4 years and $20.00 for non- residents. New Hampshire it's a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, other states that don't should do same. The biggest supporters of gun control are criminals and mass murderers.

 

[Control Group]

The biggest supporters of gun control are criminals and mass murderers see quote below.


Quote: "This year will go down in history. For the first time,a civilized nation has full gun law registration. Our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!

Adolf Hitler 1935

He didn't say that.

And even if he had, that in itself doesn't make gun registration bad. Hitler also started an economic boom, laid the foundation for modern combined-arms warfare, and significantly decreased crime. That doesn't make a strong economy, modern tactics, or safer streets bad ideas. There are plenty of logically sound reasons to fight gun registration/control without a false appeal to authority.

(Sorry if it seems I'm jumping down your throat, I just hate seeing this quote thrown around; when it gets debunked by an anti, it loses us valuable credibility)

 

[antarti]

Probably 40% of those I know who carry don't bother with a CCW... to some it's perceived as onerous to their rights and they are making that statement, to others (the old timers) it's more a case of "I've been doing this before the licenses, and I'll be doing it after, do you really care what the law says when the criminals don't?"... IOW, I am going to do it, screw everybody, it's my business alone.

Personally, It's none of my business either way, and I condone carrying with or without, as your conscience guides you. If that knowlege (of others doing it) is itself a crime, so be it. The Marine is old enough to decide for himself what is best for himself.

Not at all the same issue ... the only reason for having register to vote is to prevent a citizen from voting multiple times

Yeah, that's why they started adding all kinds of crap like (paraphasing, but it's real) in there:

"The undersigned understands that this signature is also registering with Selective Service. If the undersigned is under 18 years of age, then this signature serves as their Selective Service signature when they turn 18"
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How does signing something when you are a juvenile apply on your 18th birthday? Where is the check box for "consciencious objector status"?

DL and voter registrations are largely becoming offensive and inclusive of all kinds of other junk, and CCW's are defacto "owner registration". That said, I have one. I have gotten about 15 people to get into shooting and get them. However, I look forward to not needing one, and will keep fighting for "Vermont Carry" for everybody.

 

[R.H. Lee]

About the only time it will become an issue is if/when you have to shoot some goblin who attacked you. Some local DA might want to springboard the lack of a CCW permit into a criminal charge against you. I’d rather deal with that than get knifed, shot or beaten.

 

[leo68]

My belief a person should be allowed to carry without a permit if he/she is in good standings. Vermont you don't need a permit to carry, they tried in New Hampshire but it failed.