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I just lied to FedEx. I feel guilty. I feel dirty. I'm confessing to you.

I auctioned off a Beretta Model 70 last week. Today, the money order and printed FFL came in the mail, so I went to FedEx to ship it. I already had it all wrapped up and the box sealed. I also had checked multiple times to be sure it was unloaded.

When I went up to the counter, I froze. There SHE was.

The last time I had tried to ship a gun at this FedEx, about six months ago, SHE was there. I told her I was shipping a gun, and SHE instantly replied that SHE would need to check it to be sure it was unloaded, and it would also have to be disassembled.

I told her that I'm always glad to let someone else verify that an unloded gun is actually unloaded, but there is no requirement to disassemble a gun to ship it.

SHE said that she's worked there for years, and SHE knows the rules. If it isn't disassembled, SHE isn't going to ship it. "It's against the law or something."

I asked her what SHE meant by disassembled? Did that mean that the bolt had to be removed, or the action taken out of the stock, or what? I was shipping a Ruger 10/22, and I really didn't want to open the box and take it apart.

SHE told me very authoritatively that she didn't know, but "The gun has to be in pieces. It's a rule."

At that point, I drove across town to another FedEx and shipped it with no problems. The kids there looked up the rules in a FedEx notebook, and it turned out that it didn't need to be disassembled (surprise!). In fact, a long gun didn't even need to go overnight. Those kids actually saved me a LOT of money.

Anyway, earlier this evening, with the gun all wrapped up and ready to go, I went back to the original FedEx to ship the Beretta.

There SHE was.

"I'm lost," I thought. "I'm going to end up having to drive across town again."

At least SHE was in a someone better mood.

"Maybe i can pull this off and save myself a ride," I thought.

"Is the gun unloaded?"

"Yes." SHE didn't ask to verify it on her own. but it WAS unloaded.

"Is there any ammo with it?"

"No."

"Good, because we can't ship ammo."

I started to explain to her that she could, but I let it go.

"Is it disassembled?"

"Yes." I lied.

She didn't check. She took me at my word.

But I lied.

Can you guys ever forgive me?

- - - Yoda
 
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Don't take this the wrong way but sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do, all is forgiven indeed

Good luck
For speed
 
Yoda said:
"Is there any ammo with it?"

"No."

"Good, because we can't ship ammo."

I started to explain to her that she could, but I let it go.
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First, if the magazine is not in the gun, I would count that as disassembled.

Second, to ship ammo via FEDEX, the shipper must be certified to ship HAZMAT. Assuming you are not a HAZMAT certified shipper, it would be against FEDEX terms and conditions of service to ship ammo presented for shipment by you, a mere mortal. That's why ammo is always delivered to you by UPS ground.
 
Next time, get her employee number and name. Then call me. I'll send a small note to her boss and we'll just get that uppity moron some training. And if I can find an extra, I'll send you a copy of our regulations book with the pertinent rules underlined so you can look her in her beady little eyes and tell her she's an idiot. Now, one thing.... If she's at Fedex Kinko's, all bets are off. Those people make it up as they go along.

For Pete's sake! I delivered a case of ammo today! And my gun shop guy called me to tell me he's got some new rifles coming in sometime this week so I need to make some time to "help him open the package". I LOVE the gunshop guy on my route! In a manly, brotherly way of course!

Nah, anybody can ship hazmat with us as long as the paperwork is filled out right and you've got the haz placards on it.

The only thing we REALLY hate though is a COD package.. HATE em!


1-800-go-fedex. Ask for the hazmat hotline or any other question you need. Try to get a human though. It's usually an automated menu. Those things suck too.
 
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Ammo CAN be shipped.

You have to affix "ORM-D" labels, but it's really no big deal. You can even print the labels yourself.

At least UPS does it that way, and I can't think of a reason FedEx wouldn't do the same, unless SHE was at the counter!

- - - Yoda
 
Well, the one they're supposed to use. I used to have the thing memorized and as of 1992, I'm proud to say that I and my room mate at the time were responsible for at least 12! Most of those involved driving vehicles on the ramp or through the Memphis hub.
 
Should print out their shipping rules on guns and ask her where it says that disassembly is a requirement. If she still claims that it has to be, ask for a manager.
 
Several years ago I was flying out of New Jersey. I had flown in to Portland Maine earlier in the week for a combination work/bird shoot, so I had my Beretta O/U 20 gauge with me. I went to the counter in New Jersey and asked for a firearms certificate. The young lady at the counter couldn't understand what I was talking about. I tried to explain to her that I was checking a firearm and that there was an orange colored form that I had to sign and put in the case with the gun. All she heard was "gun" and started yelling "He's got a gun, he's got a gun!" Finally upper management got involved and pretended to know what they were doing. They insisted that I prove that the gun was unloaded. I opened the case, which had the broken down Beretta inside. They obviously didn't know what they were looking at, asked me to show that it was unloaded. I picked up the barrels and invited him to look through them to see that there were no "boolits" in the gun. Moral of the story? Avoid New Jersey!
 
Next time save yourself the hassle entirely, and just ship it as your average brown box. They don't need to know what's inside.
 
Re-ok to ship ammo: I would think that anyone could ship ammo, so long as all the labels are there, all the documentation is there (such as shipper's declaration of hazardous goods), and there is probably a requirement to be able to show current (3 years) training in DOT regulations. I ship (medical) radioactive materials as part of my job and that's the way it is for radioactive materials stuff. After 10+ years of doing it, less than a month ago an FAA inspector (with a badge and everything) stopped by to audit our shipping records and he also checked to see if everyone who was shipping stuff had proof of current training. FAA I suppose because we overnight ship this stuff via the airways.
Is that the case for other hazardous materials such as powder and ammo?
 
It was unloaded. Without a round in the chamber, it lacks an essential part to be able to discharge. So, that means it was disassembled, sort of. A gun without a round is a club.

Let's not have everyone chime in to tell me I just advocated violating one of the four rules; you know, treat every gun as if it's loaded. This gun is sealed in a box. How are you gonna do that?
 
My P/T retirement job is shipping guns and ammo for a LGS. Fedex handles 5k a day for us, no problem Hossfly 68 got it right. Unless it is a Kinkos get her smarmy derriere educated by getting in touch with him (hossfly68) or her higher ups.
 
Bob M. said:
Yoda used the Force....Works real good on the weak minded. Hahahahaaaa!!!
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First, well done, Yoda. As I see it, there's nothing to forgive.

Second, a simple lie is different than using The Force. The real Yoda would put a little more creativity in the lie, such as, "You would be delighted to ship the gun fully assembled." To which FedEX gal would have replied, "Yes, I would be delighted to ship the gun fully assembled."

MTFBWY
 
Honestly, it was unloaded and the magazine was removed.... One could easily say that the gun was disassembled, certainly someone who knows nothing about guns would think it was "disassembled".
 
303tom,

Obviously not Catholic or not nearly as bad as me--I have never gotten less than 10 hail Mary's or one Rosary. lol

Gary
 
I swore yesterday...am I forgiven also? Is this the place to confess my sins?

No big deal what you did...you knew you were in the right and just saved yourself a headache. Sometimes you have to get creative when dealing with idiots.
 
I will not forgive your SIN.

I don't care that you lied to get someone to follow their own rules.

The only REAL sin here is that you SOLD YOUR SHOTGUN.......
 
Next time wave your hand around ever so slightly and say......

"This isn't the Beretta you're looking for."

and she should respond:
"This isn't the Beretta I'm looking for."

Then say:
"The gun doesn't need to be disassembled."

She should respond:
"This gun doesn't need to be disassembled."

Then say:
"I can go about my business."

Her response:
"You can go about your business. Move along."

If the gun gets shipped and her coworkers look puzzled by the interaction, then you did it right.

Sometimes stupid people just need to be side stepped rather than educated to save yourself time and frustration. Don't forget also, sometimes....... you just can't fix stupid.
 
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