I Submit The Bhp Is The Ultimate All Around Handgun
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stevelyn
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I certainly like mine and carry it more often when given the choice than my Glock. I need to get some work done on it though. Get rid of the mag disconnect, put on an ambidextrous safety and a trigger job.
TheDutchman
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Two words "Glock Leg" anybody ever heard of a HI power leg nope. Bad guys have been meeting the business end of the Browning Hi Power for 70 years. Glocks have been adopted by two countries wow I think the HI Power has been adopted by over 90. The reason Cops like Glock are, Glock supply pistols at bargain prices to departments, No safety (if you think Glocks have a safety please refer to Glock Leg) require very little training to operate, and maintenance.
1911's are great guns I have two.However they have never been that popular overseas (outside the US for the Okies) nor have the .45 ammo. The Browning Hi Power is very popular in many of the world countries as is the 9mm round. Hi Powers are way easier to field strip to clean then a 1911. The trigger might be lacking , but I am sure your are not think about the trigger pull while being shot at.
1911's are great guns I have two.However they have never been that popular overseas (outside the US for the Okies) nor have the .45 ammo. The Browning Hi Power is very popular in many of the world countries as is the 9mm round. Hi Powers are way easier to field strip to clean then a 1911. The trigger might be lacking , but I am sure your are not think about the trigger pull while being shot at.
marley
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I want one with a AL frame then I would go with the word ultimate. Until then just very, very good.
patrick
patrick"Ultimate"? Not sure I'd go with that. But I think "sufficient" describes it if you are willing to take it for what it is--an elegant, time-tested and classic 9mm. It's not necessarily my first choice--but never a bad one, either.
I routinely tend to use the DA wheelgun, and a 1911 after that. If I could only use the BHP I would get along just fine too. The last few decades have given us better ammo, sights, and reliability feeding that ammo.
In my personal rating system it comes out ahead of the various SIGs, Glocks, and Rugers.
I routinely tend to use the DA wheelgun, and a 1911 after that. If I could only use the BHP I would get along just fine too. The last few decades have given us better ammo, sights, and reliability feeding that ammo.
In my personal rating system it comes out ahead of the various SIGs, Glocks, and Rugers.
tomkatz
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Here's a newer one that works pretty good........
tomorrow morning it will belong to someone else and I am already feeling the separation anxiety......won't I ever learn?.........tom
tomorrow morning it will belong to someone else and I am already feeling the separation anxiety......won't I ever learn?.........tom
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I gotta disagree with ya Wild cause even tho the BHP fits my hand and it is pretty. I will have to say the 9x19 is lacking and will have to stand with my old friend C. R. Sam and say the 9x32R round is much better and that the S&W M&P in its 586 configuration is the Ultimate handgun. It has no magazine to lose or cause misfeeds, it fits most any hand with a fairly quick change of grips. I can stick any 38spec/357mag round in it and will have no feeding problems or ejection problems, it just goes bang. It has been used by almost every police department and many Military units have used some iteration of the M&P over the years, my goodness it even has as it's name MILITARY & POLICE.
Browning....time tested and proven. Glock......?S&W got there 70 years before either
Browning....battle tested and proven. Glock......? S&W got there many wars ahead
Browning....no recalls of 400,000. Glock......? S&W some QA issues in the 70s but for goodness sake it's over a 100 years old
Browning....no blow up's or ka-booms. Glock......? S&W..... OK some double charges of bullseye can blow up a cylinder....
Browning....steel, blued or chrome Glock......? S&W, Steel, SS, Nickle and unobtianium
Browning....most widely used pistol around the world. S&W Millions served
Browning....J.M.B. Nuff said! S&W... What J. M. B. would have designed if he liked Wheelies, The Wessons where there first.
Semi's have no soul why else would they be called bottom feeders.
Besides you cannot hunt in PA with a semi.....
Browning....time tested and proven. Glock......?S&W got there 70 years before either
Browning....battle tested and proven. Glock......? S&W got there many wars ahead
Browning....no recalls of 400,000. Glock......? S&W some QA issues in the 70s but for goodness sake it's over a 100 years old
Browning....no blow up's or ka-booms. Glock......? S&W..... OK some double charges of bullseye can blow up a cylinder....
Browning....steel, blued or chrome Glock......? S&W, Steel, SS, Nickle and unobtianium
Browning....most widely used pistol around the world. S&W Millions served
Browning....J.M.B. Nuff said! S&W... What J. M. B. would have designed if he liked Wheelies, The Wessons where there first.
Semi's have no soul why else would they be called bottom feeders.
Besides you cannot hunt in PA with a semi.....
Marshall
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Even though he said "handgun", I assumed Wild was speaking of Semi-Auto's seeing as he posted here on this board.
If not, I too think the .357 Mag Wheel Gun has the "Ultimate Award"!
Load me up with .357 Mag Smiths and 9mm HP's and I'll be in fine shape! Wait, I am loaded up with them.
If not, I too think the .357 Mag Wheel Gun has the "Ultimate Award"!
Load me up with .357 Mag Smiths and 9mm HP's and I'll be in fine shape! Wait, I am loaded up with them.
BHPshooter
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Purely for discussion:
[devil's advocate] Two words: "Hammer Bite." Anybody ever heard of hammer bite with a Glock? Nope. [/devil's advocate]
Reminder: I am a dyed in the wook HP guy... please don't flame me.
Wes
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I'm in 100% agreement with HSMITH. As a die-hard 1911 fan...I thought the BHP was a necessary corrolary...and since I wanted a 9mm for plinking, I went in deep. Way deep like I've done on my 1911s. But the BHP just never was "it" for me, and to my eye, it's just a darn ugly gun. So now it's gone, I've got a 1911 chambered for 9mm, and I'm a happy man.
Island Beretta
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hell no!!!!!!
armoredman
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I am on WA's ignore list for calling him on his other thread, so this won't even be noticed.
WildAlaska said:
Isn't it, "the SAS loved their BHPs"? They've been using the SIG P226 for a while now, haven't they?
On the "JMB's best/last design" angle, how much of what we know as the BHP was actually designed by him before he died? Saive subsequently finished the prototype, but how much "finishing" was needed and how much of the design might JMB have done differently? Did Saive scrap and redo any of JMB's design elements? (I genuinely don't know; I'm asking.)
D.
On the "JMB's best/last design" angle, how much of what we know as the BHP was actually designed by him before he died? Saive subsequently finished the prototype, but how much "finishing" was needed and how much of the design might JMB have done differently? Did Saive scrap and redo any of JMB's design elements? (I genuinely don't know; I'm asking.)
D.
Sean85746
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Hi Powers rule!
Nearest and dearest to my heart are:
Browning Hi Power, of which I own 4.
Colt 1911, of which variants I own 7.
Glock, of which I own 6.
Smith K-Frames, of which I own 11.
The Hi Power is the one that started it all!
Nearest and dearest to my heart are:
Browning Hi Power, of which I own 4.
Colt 1911, of which variants I own 7.
Glock, of which I own 6.
Smith K-Frames, of which I own 11.
The Hi Power is the one that started it all!
Sinbad
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Dear Condescending, Yes, Soooo!
TheDutchman
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Ted yost + my .40 cal Hi Power + Nine month wait and money=No hammer bite.
Never hand Hammer bite anyway
Never hand Hammer bite anyway
kimbernut
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Ultimate BHP
A great pistol no doubt but sure would like to see a real quality compact with a bit of a beavertail to prevent the bite and while we're wishing a .45 acp BHP and a compact .45acp BHP too.
A great pistol no doubt but sure would like to see a real quality compact with a bit of a beavertail to prevent the bite and while we're wishing a .45 acp BHP and a compact .45acp BHP too.
Bartholomew Roberts
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There is a .45 BHP, it is called a 1911
5x5
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BHP is the next on the list. -Ian
WHY THE BsHP IS almost THE ULTIMATE ALL-AROUND HANDGUN:
Take a look at the 1927 (work began 1920, completed 1923, patent granted 1927) patent drawing:
Designing around his own 1911 patents, then still in effect, it was JMB's last handgun design...but redesigned on an ongoing basis by Saive (for the French military, for God's sake) after Browning's death and after the expiration of the 1911 patents:
You can see that the pistol is 50% direct Browning, 40% indirect via the 1911...Saive mainly responsible for minor details.
Who dares compare the TupperMeister to JMB? Blasphemy! :banghead: How many firearms patents does Gaston have? Hello? HELLO???
Glock pistol is derivative in every way:
So you 1911 lovers and glockophiles kiss and make up...you're part of the same family...even if Glocks are the "black" sheep part of it.
SO, a .40 cal (almost a .45) BHP, with 11 on the rack and one in the oven, is damn near the closest thing to the ULTIMATE HANDGUN!
Now if only someone would make a 1911 with HP-style bushing in slide, HP-style cam & linkless barrel, and HP-style slide stop, we really would have the ULTIMATE HANDGUN.
Take a look at the 1927 (work began 1920, completed 1923, patent granted 1927) patent drawing:
Designing around his own 1911 patents, then still in effect, it was JMB's last handgun design...but redesigned on an ongoing basis by Saive (for the French military, for God's sake) after Browning's death and after the expiration of the 1911 patents:
BROWNING: no barrel bushing, no barrel link, trigger activated tripping lever/disconnector in slide. Not responsible for hideous magazine disconnect. No grip safety (U.S. Cavalry requirement for 1911).
SAIVE: Why reinvent the wheel? An extremely talented designer who later designed the FAL, he's no JMB (who is/was?). By the time he was done he basically used 1911 concepts such as 1911 hammer, 1911 sear-blocking safety, 1911 slide stop lever, 1911 firing pin with firing pin retainer, 1911 extractor. Slight changes to grip shape, no plunger tube, 1911-ized firing control system. Can't be held responsible for non heavy-duty nature of HP...French apparently not used to lifting anything heavier than cups of coffee, cigarettes, or croissants, kept complaining about the weight. Saive forced to use slimmer parts than JMB would have...like Ithaca 37 designers who upsized JMB's 20 gauge model 17 but wanted a lightweight shotgun and slimmed down parts...look inside the receiver of a 17 sometime...much beefier extractor and carrier than a 37.
You can see that the pistol is 50% direct Browning, 40% indirect via the 1911...Saive mainly responsible for minor details.
Who dares compare the TupperMeister to JMB? Blasphemy! :banghead: How many firearms patents does Gaston have? Hello? HELLO???
Glock pistol is derivative in every way:
Uses a slide...invented by JMB
Tilting barrel...invented by JMB
Square hooded tilting barrel with no lugs on barrel...Sig-Sauer...after JMB
(1911s/HPs will operate with the front two lugs machined away...after all the slide still contacts the barrel at the front of the hood...just like a Sig-Sauer. A manufacturing economy decision by SIG. Three semi-circular areas bearing the load vs. one square area...which leads to a squared slide with wasted space in the upper corners...ever notice how a 1911 is shrink-wrapped around the 45ACP round? No wasted space...a characteristic of his genius)
Striker fired...invented by JMB
Uses a clip/magazine...invented by JMB
Tilting barrel...invented by JMB
Square hooded tilting barrel with no lugs on barrel...Sig-Sauer...after JMB
(1911s/HPs will operate with the front two lugs machined away...after all the slide still contacts the barrel at the front of the hood...just like a Sig-Sauer. A manufacturing economy decision by SIG. Three semi-circular areas bearing the load vs. one square area...which leads to a squared slide with wasted space in the upper corners...ever notice how a 1911 is shrink-wrapped around the 45ACP round? No wasted space...a characteristic of his genius)
Striker fired...invented by JMB
Uses a clip/magazine...invented by JMB
So you 1911 lovers and glockophiles kiss and make up...you're part of the same family...even if Glocks are the "black" sheep part of it.
SO, a .40 cal (almost a .45) BHP, with 11 on the rack and one in the oven, is damn near the closest thing to the ULTIMATE HANDGUN!
Now if only someone would make a 1911 with HP-style bushing in slide, HP-style cam & linkless barrel, and HP-style slide stop, we really would have the ULTIMATE HANDGUN.
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