bjengs
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If Bush allows the Assault Weapons Ban to be renewed in any form, what will be your attitude toward him?
"SUPPORT" means VOTES, MONEY, or STATED OPINION
"SUPPORT" means VOTES, MONEY, or STATED OPINION
If Bush allows renewal of AWB...
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tiberius
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It's not up to him anymore. If it shows up on his desk and he does NOT sign it, then he is a liar. If he does sign it then he has failed in his oath to defend the Constitution. His only hope is that it does not show up on his desk. He has influence, but it is technically out of his hands for now.
manwithoutahome
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I voted that I support him now (barely, with the PA 1&2 and the immigration plan) but if he signs the AWB back into being, then he's "otta there".
We gun owners gave him that office and if he bites the hand that fed him, then it's out the door like an old flea bitten hound.
M
*I already "know" the agruements but if we have to boot him out, then we'd better pack the house and the senate so it will be a lame duck presidentcy but I CANNOT and WILLNOT vote for a traitor! EOS!!!!
We gun owners gave him that office and if he bites the hand that fed him, then it's out the door like an old flea bitten hound.
M
*I already "know" the agruements but if we have to boot him out, then we'd better pack the house and the senate so it will be a lame duck presidentcy but I CANNOT and WILLNOT vote for a traitor! EOS!!!!
hube1236
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Tiberius,
He has stated that he endorses the concept. If it goes into executive order world, I burn my GOP card! and I will vote for Nader!
He has stated that he endorses the concept. If it goes into executive order world, I burn my GOP card! and I will vote for Nader!
tiberius
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We know what Bush has said so I'm not sure how this applies to what I said, but........you should vote Libertarian, not Nader if it was up to him death squads would confiscate your guns. AT least Libertarians care about the Constitution.
Standing Wolf
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I'm sure the Libertarian candidate will welcome my vote more warmly than the Republicrat or Democan.
SodaPop
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I'm going to vote Libertarian if he does.
Mark Tyson
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I want to know one thing.
Why is Bush selling out his "conservative base" on this issue, but he's going to bat for the cultural conservatives by backing an amendment banning gay marriage?
Why is Bush selling out his "conservative base" on this issue, but he's going to bat for the cultural conservatives by backing an amendment banning gay marriage?
gunsmith
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AWB equals me leaving GOP
Hkmp5sd
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Because he, like most republicans, think the pro-gunners will still vote for him as the "lesser of two evils." And for the most part, history has proven him correct. Unless the gunners get tough and stop voting for these guys that sign anti-gun legislation, they have no reason to worry about us.
If any politician votes for more guns laws, kick them out. Get tough.
I will continue to support him or the Republican candidate that has the greatest chances of winning. Even though I enjoy guns and believe that we have a God given right to protect ourselves and own guns, guns are not my top priority. I mainly vote Republican because of moral issues. But, with politics, most of the time you have to vote for the lesser of the evils.
bjengs
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bump (looking for at least 100 votes)
mtnbkr
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I no longer support him regardless of his stance on guns.
Why?
Immigration
Welfare
Constitutional Amendments
WOT
and so on.
Chris
Why?
Immigration
Welfare
Constitutional Amendments
WOT
and so on.
Chris
Neal Bloom
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The AWB is just too valuable as a bargaining chip for politicians to leave it alone. They will use it to their advantage and sell us down the river. Bush should have stated immediately that he would let it sunset and would never sign an extension. Instead it becomes a bargaining chip for other agendas. He wants to have something in the Constitution about marrige but he won't support whats already in the Constitution. He will not have my support or vote.
bjengs
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Not too far from what I expected. 89% of current Bush supporters will change your minds if Bush caves.
I personally don't understand how it would be excusable. The rationale I have gotten so far is "he would be a liar now if he didn't sign the reautorization." Well, why didn't your support for him end when he promised that?
Is the RKBA third on the list of loyalties, after The Republican Party and George W. Bush?
Even Neal Knox knows that it isn't as black and white as "Republicans good; Democrats evil."
I personally don't understand how it would be excusable. The rationale I have gotten so far is "he would be a liar now if he didn't sign the reautorization." Well, why didn't your support for him end when he promised that?
Is the RKBA third on the list of loyalties, after The Republican Party and George W. Bush?
Even Neal Knox knows that it isn't as black and white as "Republicans good; Democrats evil."
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I do find it hilarious that some are angry at Bush over immigration. I can only assume that they are not Libertarians, who if anything, as a party, are to the extreme left of Bush on that particular issue.
Oh, I know, I know, if only open borders came along at the same time as the dropping of all social welfare legislation it'd be alright because not as many would immigrate here without the promise of governmental freebies. Uh, don't think so.
What you'd have is everyone and their third cousin moving here and shacking up 10-20 to a room. What Libertarians seemingly fail to remember is that by far the largest waves of immigration to ever happen to this country happened when just about anyone who could get here could come here and there was no social safety net for them aside from some church charities.
Boneheads. (The LP on that issue anyways.)
Oh, I know, I know, if only open borders came along at the same time as the dropping of all social welfare legislation it'd be alright because not as many would immigrate here without the promise of governmental freebies. Uh, don't think so.
What you'd have is everyone and their third cousin moving here and shacking up 10-20 to a room. What Libertarians seemingly fail to remember is that by far the largest waves of immigration to ever happen to this country happened when just about anyone who could get here could come here and there was no social safety net for them aside from some church charities.
Boneheads. (The LP on that issue anyways.)
HankB
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Bush has already moved to the left on far too many issues - enough so that as I'm writing this, he's currently being lampooned in the distinctly conservative comic strip Mallard Fillmore. (The gist is that if GWB wants to avoid a second term, should he just take his base for granted, or must he actively try to alienate them?)
If the AWB passes - with GOP house, GOP senate, and GOP president, it becomes a GOP gun ban, and IMHO it will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I'll hold the entire party accountable, since it can only happen if a LOT of GOP politicians turn their coats.
And if that happens, I won't vote for ANY Republican at ANY level of government.
If the AWB passes - with GOP house, GOP senate, and GOP president, it becomes a GOP gun ban, and IMHO it will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I'll hold the entire party accountable, since it can only happen if a LOT of GOP politicians turn their coats.
And if that happens, I won't vote for ANY Republican at ANY level of government.
Smoke
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Bush is not a conservative. He doesn't care about his conservative base, he thinks those are freebies. So he appeals to the left to gain support and draw votes from the undecicded and the liberals.
That socialist medicaid entitlement was the last straw for me.
He better use all his influence to make sure no renewal of the AWB reached his desk.
I've been a staunch supporter of Bush. HE's losing me rapidly.
Smoke
That socialist medicaid entitlement was the last straw for me.
He better use all his influence to make sure no renewal of the AWB reached his desk.
I've been a staunch supporter of Bush. HE's losing me rapidly.
Smoke
Tamara
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Between tariffs, entitlement programs, inane Constitutional amendments, his wishy-washy stance on RKBA issues, and much, much more, he lost me sometime in early 2001.
Monkeyleg
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As I've mentioned before, I campaigned for him and voted for him. He's already lost any time or money that I would have given this year by signing The Incumbent Protection Act, the Patriot Act, the prescription drug bill and more.
I still plan on voting for him, unless the AWB somehow makes it to his desk and he doesn't figure out a way to veto it. The idea of Kerry or Edwards in the Oval office makes me sick, but a renewal of the ban would be the last straw.
I still plan on voting for him, unless the AWB somehow makes it to his desk and he doesn't figure out a way to veto it. The idea of Kerry or Edwards in the Oval office makes me sick, but a renewal of the ban would be the last straw.
I'd find it hard to tell the difference at that point.
Rich, unscrupulous politicians who would take away my rights and screw me over for the sake of getting and keeping power. May as well go into the booth blindfolded and punch candidates at random for all the difference it would matter.
bjengs
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Mark Tyson said
It seems they have identified the center of the bell curve of the "conservative base." It is the people who hold these attributes:
We can all probably think of a bunch of people we know who nearly fit into this category. Everyone will have one or two issues with that list. Obviously just about everyone here doesn't fit on the last point, but I have met plenty of hardheads who otherwise fit that list to a tee. Supposed conservatives who see freedom in MORE legislation - instead of REPEAL.
So when I see him sign off on the campaign finance BS, I'm not surprised. When the Republican-Healthcare-Plan-Formerly-Derided-As-"Hillarycare" goes through, I'm not surprised. When we get a PHONY tax cut, I'm not surprised. When we hear concern about "jobs lost overseas" (nonsense), I'm not surprised.
And when he signs the AWB to an extension (because "hunters don't need assault weapons"), I won't be surprised.
This puzzled me for a while. Recently, however, I came up with a thesis that seems to hold true wherever I apply it.
It seems they have identified the center of the bell curve of the "conservative base." It is the people who hold these attributes:
- fundamentally religious
- anti-abortion (but not rabid)
- anti-gay (but not murderously so)
- pro-war (pro-military in general)
- concerned with "decency" to the point of allowing muzzling of free speech
- slightly concerned about immigration
- somewhat concerned about taxes (but can't think of a single program to cut)
- dumb about economics (i.e. protectionist)
- fond of guns but not staunch RKBA'ers (hunters and the like)
We can all probably think of a bunch of people we know who nearly fit into this category. Everyone will have one or two issues with that list. Obviously just about everyone here doesn't fit on the last point, but I have met plenty of hardheads who otherwise fit that list to a tee. Supposed conservatives who see freedom in MORE legislation - instead of REPEAL.
So when I see him sign off on the campaign finance BS, I'm not surprised. When the Republican-Healthcare-Plan-Formerly-Derided-As-"Hillarycare" goes through, I'm not surprised. When we get a PHONY tax cut, I'm not surprised. When we hear concern about "jobs lost overseas" (nonsense), I'm not surprised.
And when he signs the AWB to an extension (because "hunters don't need assault weapons"), I won't be surprised.
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