Insurgent Snipers?

[zero_chances]

If you can not hit 20 torso out to 500 with a rack grade rifle, with surplus ammo, and iron sights, PM me, I will turn you on to the neatest deal you will have ever heard, and you will be amaized!

By the way, there will be 7-10 if us doing just that tomorrow, steel ringing at 500 yards, it is a hoot!

Too bad I dont live near you, I have never had the chance to do long range shooting The nearest outdoor range only goes to 100, maybe 200. I havent been there in a while

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

It isn't armchair commando-ism. I'm not saying I've ever taken shots like those under battlefield conditions.

However, looking at what has been written, I guess to my way of looking at it, the Soviet sniper concept isn't a sniper by way of reckoning it. It's simply a well trained shooter.

As I said, if I have a ballistics card for a caliber, and a scope, I can make hits out to 500. Much past that, and the math gets harder than I know how to do and adjust my aim for. Sniping seems to be an art and a science put together as I see it.

Plus, as I've said, I'm not disrespecting what I'm calling riflemen. According to what I've seen at public ranges, I've noticed the same. Most folks aren't that good. But after a little instruction (because I was one of those guys) it seems most people can be very respectable shooting-wise. And, riflemen obviously (or Soviet concept snipers if you like that nomenclature) can do heavy amounts of damage.

 

[possum]

actually I'm an MP riding around in an 1114, normally a gunner but I also go out as TC and driver when need be. I've thought about switching over to tanks in the future, still not sure about it, maybe go with EOD, go back to infantry or finish my career out as a MP.

i'm sorry i hear or read turret and i assume, :banghead: i forget those 1114's have turrest to. anyway right on. don't come to the infantry brother, stay where you are that is my advice, i don't know how long you have been an mp but you probally already have the skinny on the way things work, and have a good grasp on that mos. i would stay there and finish as an mp. it's not like you are a pac clerk, you actually have a pretty dangerous job not only in iraq but in garrison too. now if you were a pac clerk or similar i would definetly suggest that you come to the dark side, see what it is like in the boots on the ground part of the army. but you all ready know about that and you have done your time. ride out the rest till your done. that is my .02 bro.

btw how much time left do you have?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

When being fired on by a person from a concealed location, does it really matter if that person has the credentials to be a "true Sniper" or not. That person is sniping at you, regardless if you want to call him/her a true Sniper, Sniper, sniper, marksman, rifleman, good shooter, or kid with an outdated blackpowder hunting rifle.

The act of sniping is not defined based on the shooter's training, amount of concealment, distance, caliber, firearm, or skill level. Poor snipers tend to not survive as long, however.

 

[Smitty in CT]

according to news reports the Iraqi insurgents have been captured with HS50's that were smuggled in from Iran:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/13/wiran13.xml

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Well now. It appears the Mahdi Army might have some real snipers.

 

[Limeyfellow]

according to news reports the Iraqi insurgents have been captured with HS50's that were smuggled in from Iran

Turned out the story wasn't true in the end, like so much that we hear.

 

[xd9fan]

just hope someday we the people are not considered "Insurgent Snipers"

 

[Lucky]

Nah that'd be C

"c. Armed Irregular. The third general type of sniper is the armed irregular. He may have little or no formal military training but may have experience in urban combat. He may or may not wear any distinguishing uniform and may even appear to be merely another of the thousands of noncombatants found in a large urban area. He may or may not carry his weapon openly and may go to great lengths to avoid identification as a sniper. His fires are normally not accurate, and he seldom deliberately targets specific individuals. His actions are not normally integrated into an overall enemy plan, although his attacks may be loosely coordinated with others in his general area. Although this type of sniper has the least ability to cause heavy losses among US forces, he has high value as an element of harassment, and in some stability and support situations he may achieve results far out of proportion to his actual ability to cause casualties."

 

[Double Naught Spy]

just hope someday we the people are not considered "Insurgent Snipers"

If you are not engaged in the act of sniping like the Beltway Snipers, then nobody is going to call you a sniper.

 

[xd9fan]

the media has done a great job trashing the word Militia

 

[auberg]

all I can say is that I'm glad the insurgents aren't trained very well. An insurgent sniper took a shot at my nephew (a marine) and missed him by about 4 inches. If the sniper would have had better training, my nephew would be just one more coming back in a casket.

 

[possum]

all I can say is that I'm glad the insurgents aren't trained very well. An insurgent sniper took a shot at my nephew (a marine) and missed him by about 4 inches. If the sniper would have had better training, my nephew would be just one more coming back in a casket.

i am also glad of that fact and glad to hear that all turned out good, but you also have to take into account that they are using not typically what we would call "good" equipment for the job. the sniper that took the shot at your nephew might very well have been able to make that shot with better weapons and ammo, so i guess it would be right to say that i and everyone else is glad that they are not better equiped and trainned, things might turn out a little different otherwise.

 

[Prince Yamato]

By it's original definition, a sniper is a skilled marksman who can hit a difficult-to-achieve target. "sniping" oringinally referred to shooting small birds, called "snipes" which were, difficult to hit. One who was profficient in shooting them was called a "sniper". Therefore one who is proficient at hitting difficult-to-achieve targets (add at long distances) is called a sniper... Now whether the Iraqi terrorists are GOOD snipers, well, that is a different matter. For instance, one can take one lesson and say, "I play piano", but a Van Cliburn that does not make.

 

[funfaler]

After reading some of the above posts, there appears to be more than one way to learn how to shoot out to 500+ yards.

Option 1.

You can join the Marines, they will indeed teach you to shoot out to 500 yards. According to some here, that seem to have "been there, done that", they will seldom allow you to shoot out past 100meters, and almost never past 300 meters, and then only with special optics. They also will not give you the best tool for the job, being that they will only give you an M4 or M16, which are fine, but not known for their long shooting capabilities.

Option 2.

You can learn the way that I did. No 4 year commitment, you can choose your own rifle. No yelling, No bad hair cuts. You will be expected to be able to do your shooting with iron sights, however, if you choose to use optics, that will be allowed. I promise that they will not teach you anything that is copyrighted or patented by the US Military, all lessons are approved by the Founders of this Nation as appropriate for all age groups.

America is great, we always have quality options

 

[Grin Reaper]

Sounds like we're all acknowledging that many people use the term "sniper', but they may not mean the same thing that you or I do when they say it.
I agree.

Before you jump on your key board to scoff, have you recieved any instruction on HOW to do it? Have you made a real attempt at learning HOW to do it?

Yes, sir, I have. There's an organization called the Revolutionary War Veteran's Assoc. (www.rwva.org) that holds grass-roots marksmanship instruction called "Appleseed Shoots." Best value in marksmanship training there is.

 

[Oohrah]

Well Morte, hate to rain on your party, but many fine things happened
in the Nam with a simple heavy (not bull) barrel Mod. 70 Winchester with
average 10x glass. The caliber, 30-06 Match, issued by the case. The
weight was a bit lighter to hump compared to the new fangled Remy 700s
of today. 800yds can be troublesome under some conditions, but triple
this has been done. The way out theres, real men shoot 50s !!! Ooh Rah
Semper Fi

 

[rangerruck]

or hitting up close, as close as possible, without being dtected, getting your shot off, then getting away, undetected. Still a sniper to me

 

[glen walker]

Years ago in Vietnam (3rd Force Recon) I was propped up against some sand bags out side of my hooch drinking some coffee, and I watched some of my buddies dinging gooks on an old red clay looking hill at ranges exceeding 800 meters. They were getting some hits to. Their weapons? That piece of trash pawned off on us called 'United States Rifle, 5.56 millimeter, caliber M16-A1'.I went to Sniper School out in California, using a Winchester with an 80x scope. I never used it over there, but several times I used my M-14 scoped out, and more than a couple of times I used it rigged out with infra-red. (I never used 'starlight') I spoke, years later, to an Engineer (designer) who work's for Sturm and Ruger, and he told me that the Mini-14, firing the civilian counterpart (Rem.223) would actually carry out to 8000 meters)...(that's not a typo. I said 8000 meters)...

 

[Thin Black Line]

I agree....but you should see what passes at a public range for average shooting....

and speaking of mini-14s at the public range, my favorite yesterday morning
was the guy who had to bench his to hit a torso sized target at 25 yards
(that's no typo. I said 25 yards)......

 

[MikeH]

We can sit here and argue all day long about the semantics, but if we're out there patrolling and someone takes an aimed shot at one of us from a concealed position, what are we going to be calling out to warn each other?

ENEMY MARKSMAN?

I don't think so ...

 

[rero360]

Possum, yeah, 6 years as infantry then they switched my whole unit over to MP, been one for almost a year now. I reenlisted back in december so I'm in until august of 2013 unless I decide to go the full 20, which would only be another 7 years at that point.

Been on leave the past couple of weeks, fly back over today, probably take a good two or three days to get back to my unit.

 

[Smitty in CT]

Rero360,

I've been out for 15 years now, I just want to say,

THANK YOU for serving!!

Keep your head down and your eyes open.

 

[possum]

Possum, yeah, 6 years as infantry then they switched my whole unit over to MP, been one for almost a year now. I reenlisted back in december so I'm in until august of 2013 unless I decide to go the full 20, which would only be another 7 years at that point.

sweet, well your company is lucky to have that infantry experience. i think i would stay in with only 7 years left i think i am gonna do my 8 and get out. i am in till 2011. i can't even imagine that far in the future!

Been on leave the past couple of weeks, fly back over today, probably take a good two or three days to get back to my unit.

hope you enjoyed leave and you got to do some good shootin', good luck and be safe on the trip back and while there, you never know i might see you there! i will to be there as well. take care brother!

 

[hso]

80x scope.

typo?

Which scope mount did you like the best for the 14?