Interesting story regarding pre-crime

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By Anita Burke
Mail Tribune

Concerns about an Oregon Department of Transportation employee who purchased several guns after being placed on leave prompted law enforcement across Southern Oregon to step in.

Negotiators and a SWAT team from Medford police safely took a man — whose name wasn't released — into protective custody Monday morning in the 500 block of Effie Street, Medford police said in a news release.

He was taken to Rogue Valley Medical Center for a mental-health evaluation.

The man recently had been placed on administrative leave from his job and was "very disgruntled," the news release said.

ODOT Communications Director Patrick Cooney said there were administrative, personnel matters involved that limited what the department could discuss.

However, the state agency had reported concerns about the man to law enforcement agencies, who started monitoring him, officials said.

"We had concerning information regarding a personnel issue and were watching the subject," Jackson County Sheriff Mike Winters said.

In two days, the man bought a Heckler & Koch .45-caliber universal self-loading handgun, a Walther .380-caliber handgun and an AK-47 assault rifle, Medford police Lt. Bob Hansen said. All of those firearms were purchased legally, with required record checks by the Oregon State Police.

Authorities were "extremely concerned" that the man may have been planning to retaliate against his employers, the news release said.

"Instead of being reactive, we took a proactive approach," OSP Sgt. Jeff Proulx said.

Douglas and Jackson County sheriff's departments, OSP officers based in both counties and police in Medford and Roseburg collaborated, he said.

Medford police watched the man's home overnight, starting at about 9 p.m. Sunday, Hansen said.

Because he was known to have weapons, police wanted to defuse the situation and ensure the man wasn't a danger to himself or others before the neighborhood awakened and people started their daily activities, Hansen said.

Medford's hostage negotiators and SWAT team were called in at 3 a.m. Monday and arrived on the scene at about 5:45 a.m., he said.

About a dozen officers responded. They closed the street for about an hour and evacuated three homes to protect neighbors and prevent bystanders from gathering, he said.

After a phone conversation with negotiators, the man — who was alone in the home — agreed to come out, Hansen said.

Police seized the recently purchased firearms, as well as another .45-caliber Heckler & Koch handgun and a 12-gauge shotgun. Police are holding the weapons for safekeeping, but no criminal charges have been filed.

No charges have been filed, but the man was detained and given a mental evaluation and can't have the guns he legally bought. It looks to me like his civil rights were violated in the process. Does anyone know more about this story?

I Love Big Brother.
 
Most states permit officers to detain anyone, at any time, without criminal charges or suspicion of criminal activity. They simply declare the person a risk to himself or others and they can put him in a psych hold for several days. It's right out of the bad old days in the USSR.

This is another example of why it's wise to refuse consent to search and say nothing beyond that refusal. Comply with orders, but keep your lips together. Nothing comes from nothing. The fact that the suspect said nothing is literally evidence of nothing. But as soon as you start yammering, you're giving them ammunition they can use.

ODOT Communications Director Patrick Cooney said there were administrative, personnel matters involved that limited what the department could discuss.

Apparently not, since they alerted the FBI and SWAT.
 
The "proactive" approach they too was unjustified in my opinion. Unless he actually made threats to do bodily harm, I don't think the authorities had ANY right to detain him or sieze his property. They could have watched him until it blew over.

Now the guys reputation is ruined. His neighbors, co-workers and eventually many more in his town will regard him as "the psychopath who's house got raided for guns"... If I were him I'd get a good lawyer, and retire with a nice settlement far, far away...
 
I've got to think he implied some sort of retaliation, short of actual verbal threats, for this extreme "proactive" approach. Looks like the makings for a lawsuit. IMO their actions were wrong.
 
with the facts available i could only look like an ass guessing. but i would wager that lawyers at the agency he worked at as well as at the police agencies conferred on this one
 
Us folks here in Oregon are concerned - Medford is very liberal in its politics even with its location in So Oregon, and it is not the least of a stretch that simple fear that they guy had guns caused the arrest. We are watching this carefully - can merely being disgruntled, or a known gun owner who got laid off, or just being a curmudgeon that shoots get you "non-arrested"?

Dangerous precedents here!
 
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