JohnKSa said:
My point is that interracial dating, while legal isn't practical and that it draws far more negative attention than its deterrent value is worth. My personal experience is that I've never had a positive response from others when I practiced interracial dating anywhere but in the backcountry
This is the PERFECT way to demonstrate exactly what I've been saying.
Do I think interracial dating should be legal? YES, OF COURSE I DO!
Would I date someone not of my race? You bet! If there were someone I liked who wasn't my race, I wouldn't hesitate for a minute.
Some people do it for practical reasons, and they have been listed. It’s hard to accept them when you start out with an attitude that follows.
JohnKSa said:
These discussions always start out weighing the relative practical/tactical merits of OC vs CC but when the logic starts to favor CC over OC (as it must in any environment where OC is not ubiquitous) …
It sounds like your saying that, “anyone who believes the merits of OC outweigh those of CC (in their individual circumstance, and where not ubiquitous) are only doing so out of a lack of logic, because there is no way that the merits of OC could outweigh those of CC in such cases.” I think that most people on both sides would agree, but just disagree as to what those terms are.
JohnKSa said:
But...
Would I do it to make a point?
Would I do it to fight for freedom?
Would I do it to prove how much I care about racial equality?
Would I do it to further the cause of racial equality and integration?
NO!
I would do it because it makes sense to date someone you like.
Would I go around advocating that other people date interracially to further the cause?
Would I imply that those who dated members of their own race were closet racists?
NO!
I’ve read many threads on OC, and haven’t notice that type of attitude. I have seen a lot of criticism directed toward OC’ers, but not the other way around. Not saying it doesn’t happen since there are bad apples in every bunch. But it certainly isn’t the norm.
JohnKSa said:
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I would defend their RIGHT to do as I do, but I would certainly not look down on them for making different choices. After all, there are many things that can reasonably be expected to affect a person's choice of a mate, it would be SUPREME egotism for me to assume that I know why they act as they do. Furthermore, the idea that someone should be feel coerced into dating interacially simply to further the fight for freedom is almost as abhorrent as the idea that someone should be prohibited from interacial dating.
I‘ve rarely seen OC‘ers pushing (as you say) their practice on others.
JohnKSa said:
Theres a significant undercurrent in this thread (and in many if not most OC threads I've seen) of people promoting the idea that those who don't all go out and OC or campaign vigorously to promote OC are anti-second. That those who choose to CC instead of OC are hurting the gun rights cause either intentionally or out of ignorance.
I disagree. There seems to be a theme on most of these threads that CC‘ers come out and say that OC hurts the cause. This thread was started as saying that OC isn’t practical. Problem is that for some ,it is.
JohnKSa said:
...That those who point out that CC has advantages over OC are no better than Sarah Brady.
Actually, that’s not what has been commonly said. I will say that people who criticize OC’ers as hurting the cause are, but will qualify that with, “it always depends on the situation”. You may not see this because you do support OC (as you claim), but there have been some criticizing OC’er for OC’ing anywhere but the sticks, when it’s legal to do so. People are standing up for their rights, and being disparaged for it because those critics fear the OC’ers are jeopardizing their CC rights.
Some have said that CC doesn‘t have an advantage for them, but it‘s not a generalization.
JohnKSa said:
In short, I'm sick and tired of the accusations and the "holier than thou" approach taken by the OC "pushers". And I don't mean that everyone who's posted on this thread in favor of OC is an OC "pusher", it's clear who is and who isn't.
...it ain't a case of you're either with us or against us.
Oh no? How would you interpret this statement?
I still say some of these arguments are just alternate verses for a song by the brady bunch.
Unfortunately, that‘s true. Some of the arguments used
against OC are straight from the Brady book.
JohnKSa said:
...or this one?
I would keep my cross or star of David hidden, or not wear my head scarf. It might make someone mad or scared and they might pass a law to restrict my religious rights. Someone might even hurt me. It's better to keep my religion to myself.
Right, those who don't OC are doing so because they're ashamed of their status as gun owners and won't openly support the constitution.
If that’s how you feel, then I can understand why you are so passionate about this issue. Your
wayyy reading into things if that’s what you took out of that quote. I don’t like saying this, but it isn’t even honest to suggest that the above quote even comes close to your interpretation of it.
JohnKSa said:
You don't think that's polarizing? What about...
There was a time that you couldn't date whoever you wanted because it might offend someone. Sure, it was LEGAL, but who'd take the risk? You'd be beaten and the police would sure as hell be on your rear end.
So those who practice OC are campaigning for freedom! Those who aren't, well...we all know what they are...
Again. If that’s how you feel, then I can understand why you are so passionate about this issue. Your
wayyy reading into things if that’s what you took out of that quote. I don’t like saying this, but it isn’t even honest to suggest that the above quote even comes close to your interpretation of it. Sure, people who OC may well be campaigning for freedom (as you put it), but that doesn't mean anything beyond that.
JohnKSa said:
So basically all the .gov needs to do is trouble us out of our rights?
In other words, those who don't OC because they can't afford police harassment, are cowards. Noooo... That's not gonna give anyone the idea that this is a black or white issue!
Again. If that’s how you feel, then I can understand why you are so passionate about this issue. Your
wayyy reading into things if that’s what you took out of that quote. I don’t like saying this, but it isn’t even honest to suggest that the above quote even comes close to your interpretation of it.
JohnKSa said:
What is wrong is the hatred you seem to have for people who you cannot coerce into your way of thinking.
My "way of thinking" is that OC should be legal everywhere as I posted on my first entry to this thread. I guess that bothers you?
Hatred is a strong word, but I'm pretty sick of seeing people voice legitimate concerns about OC only to be dismissed as cowardly, compared to closet racists, accused of being anti-gun, etc.
Once again. I think your twisting things around. However, if that’s what you want to do, then I respect your right to do so.
Most of the people advocating OC have been of the attitude of, “Leave us alone. We have our reasons for doing it. We aren’t criticizing you for your choices, don’t criticize us for ours.” You seem to be taking that stance as a threat or insult to your personal decisions. It doesn't have to be that way.