Is talking about our guns a good idea with big surveillance govt?

[Squeaky Wheel]

When I was a kid:

- you were probably more likely to be 'questionable' if you didn't have firearms
- the prevailing attitude was that the government is subserviant to the citizens
- government employees were typically referred to as 'civil servants'
- it wasn't challenging to find people with integrity and a strong backbone
- etc., etc., etc.

How and when did it all change? 9/11 was certainly part of the change. I still find myself wanting to prick my arm to see if this is all just a bad dream. Almost beyond belief.

 

[Bruno2]

Somewhere in the 80's it all took a downward turn. That's when we had latch key kids that didn't have a mom at home because she had to go out and help make a living. It was around the same time that people started to not like and respect the police. Technology is growing so fast that it is becoming too hard to keep your private stuff private.

 

[harrygunner]

Another aspect of being a kid, the "right thing" is not as clouded over, a sharper vision of it is held.

Is holding onto that vision naive or is letting it go cowardly?

 

[red-demon652]

Yes its good for them to see and read what we think and say keeps them in supresion on the new gun laws

 

[Solo]

Somewhere in the 80's it all took a downward turn. That's when we had latch key kids that didn't have a mom at home because she had to go out and help make a living.

You mean in the 40's, right? Because that's when women started entering the workforce in large numbers, and where the phrase "latchkey kid" originated.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Probably

... not.

But then if I conducted my life veering from and around all the potentially bad ideas that I come across - well - what would be the point?

Bad ideas? Line 'em up so I can knock 'em down easier:
Motorcycles
Firearms
Muscle cars
War dogs
Military
Sub set: Airborne, Special Forces, MI
Track days
Red heads


Got a "bad idea"? Come sit by me and tell me about it.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Somewhere in the 80's it all took a downward turn. That's when we had latch key kids that didn't have a mom at home because she had to go out and help make a living. It was around the same time that people started to not like and respect the police. Technology is growing so fast that it is becoming too hard to keep your private stuff private.

You mean in the 40's, right? Because that's when women started entering the workforce in large numbers, and where the phrase "latchkey kid" originated.

Or maybe the 20's...you know, when women got the right to vote?

Or maybe the 1870's, when the right to vote could no longer be denied based on race, color, or former condition of servitude?

Or maybe it was after the reformation of Rocks and Shoals in the 1860's, when the Articles for the Government of the Navy eliminated such punishments a flogging?


It's interesting to note all the generations of people I've known who each have had their turn at the podium denouncing societies woes and blaming them on this or that...usually the younger generation, but not always.

 

[Ed Ames]

But unlike all of them, my generation knows exactly where the blame actually lies.

(Hint: Who voted for the people who voted for GCA '68? For NFA '34? It wasn't me - I wasn't alive when those could have been fought, but weren't.)

 

[Ignition Override]

Squeaky Wheel:
True, and with the Internet exposing everything about every profession and activity via Google and Youtube,
let's remember what Shakespeare stated in the 1500s: "Familiarity breeds contempt".

People often have less respect for others when they seem to understand and see almost everything due to very brief, superficial exposure.
And tv ads, medications for very personal conditions.

 

[browningguy]

Is talking about our guns a good idea with big surveillance govt?

It's already too late. If you ask the question you obviously have something to hide, so now you are officially on "The List".

All your base are belong to us

 

[herkyguy]

i have no doubt THR is monitored by some agency.....probably DHS. you can bet there are some civilian anti-gunners out there who use this as ammo (hahahah pun intended) to wage their 'disarm the world' lunacy.

but we can't just be silent. THR does some good too, you know.

 

[Queen_of_Thunder]

If you are a member of any gun forum then you are already on the "LIST". You've been flaged, profiled, had a file opened on you and ranked as to risk. Old Mr. Hoover would have been so proud of what can be done today.

 

[Pilot]

If Big Brother keeps it up he may find he's got a problem...

Called, elections.

If he tries to mess with them He'll likely find out what a BIG problem is...

The problem with elections today is the none of the candidates nor parties is for smaller, limited government with less "security". They may say they are but once elected become part of the political class that supports more government growth, and control.

 

[Sav .250]

Time will tell on this subject.

 

[sota]

much to the annoyance of my wife I've chosen to become vocal about my support of firearms. I refuse to hide the fact like it's some dirty little secret. I am a proud, safe, responsible and vocal firearms owner. I am willing to answer any question and help educate anyone in at least the rudamentary knowledge of firearms so as to help dispel any concerns or misconceptions they may have, assuming they will listen.

In other words, I will not go quietly in the night.

 

[Roadking Rider]

Don't see why not, it's not illegal to own or talk about guns. What may appear to be making threatening remarks might draw some unwanted attention your way though.

 

[we are not amused]

Somewhere in the 80's it all took a downward turn. That's when we had latch key kids that didn't have a mom at home because she had to go out and help make a living. It was around the same time that people started to not like and respect the police. Technology is growing so fast that it is becoming too hard to keep your private stuff private.

Nah! Disrespect of the police has been around since the "60's at least! And I suspect a lot longer.

I strongly believe that it parallels the growth of the "Authoritarian State".

As far as discussing guns on the net, don't discuss anything illegal. That should be obvious!

The rest depends upon your "Tin Foil Hat" size! A full fledged Tin Foil Hat wearer doesn't communicate over the net at all!

 

[brickeyee]

Records about you held by third parties have NO protection.

Law enforcement can see your CC records, bank statements, phone calls, etc. ANYTHING held by a third party as a normal course of business without ANY warrant.

International communicators have NEVER been protected.

A warrant is required to listen to phone conversations that are solely within the USA.

How do you know the FISA court did not issue one?

Phone tapping warrants are not normally public anyway, at least until after arrest or at trial.

If a local judge issued a warrant for your phone, do you think law enforcement is going to let you know your phone has been tapped?

 

[thorazine]

Is it really a good idea, to be posting pictures of our sweet new tactical firearms on these forums?

Typically I only post pictures of the firearms I have sold in the past.

Now that I sold everything and am gunless I choose to pick blueberries for peace.

 

[rookorami]

I don't think it really makes a difference. If things have advanced to the point of mass data collection on US citizens then I am sure they know who all owns firearms anyhow. Unless you have only done person to person sales and never posted anything then the government will have a good idea of what you have. Besides like some have pointed out it is not illegal to do so at this time so why hide it like a dirty little secret? If we remain quite then we are an easy target to run over. Be vocal and keep our views in the forefront.

 

[bdgackle]

You can't hide data... but you can bury the signal in noise.

If you are worried about it, go get an account at a few anti forums. Create a bunch of free email addresses. Have them send each other a ton of encrypted mail. Have some of them send mail to one group, others send mail to a totally unrelated group - create networks where none existed before. Let them wonder what shooters, expectant mothers, people discussing tourism in Yemen and fans of hairless cats have in common. BE that intersection point. We should work together to make a "dangerous profile of the week".

There was a guy a few years back who aimed to become the greatest grocery shopper the world had ever known. He posted the bar code from his shopping club card online for others to use. The marketers saw him buy tens of thousands of dollars worth of groceries nation wide. THAT is how you fight big brother.

Kind of the online equivalent of hiding from the thermal imaging drones by lighting a forest fire (but with fewer homeless baby squirrels).

 

[DSling]

You mean in the 40's, right? Because that's when women started entering the workforce in large numbers, and where the phrase "latchkey kid" originated.

Dad was at war. Mom was working. Finally when life returns to normal Mom doesn't want to stay home anymore. If you raise the cost of living to require both parents to work to make ends meet you now control the future. Well guess who takes care of, teaches and indoctrinate our children?

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[Piratesailor]

Simple. You're on this forum, you're on their list .

No sense in worrying about it. Otherwise, they'd have about 80 million people to deal with.

Carry on.

 

[red-demon652]

My question is why be scared to be on the list. Do YOU not stand up for what you believed in.

 

[Officers'Wife]

But unlike all of them, my generation knows exactly where the blame actually lies.

(Hint: Who voted for the people who voted for GCA '68? For NFA '34? It wasn't me - I wasn't alive when those could have been fought, but weren't.)

While all this is true...

Our generation has also voted in the Clintons, the Obamas and supported the idiocies of the Algores. Our generation is seeing our embassies invaded and our fellow citizens killed yet still support those that provide the leadership for such atrocities to be possible. We weren't born at the signing of the 1934 act or the 1968 act or the Sullivan act so it's not our fault. Duly noted... what has our generation done to repeal them? And what is our excuse for the Patriot act?