chute2thrill
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Sorry I couldn't help myself.. One of my favorite YouTube videos..
Viewer discretion advised...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZw5oAHUfPw
Viewer discretion advised...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZw5oAHUfPw
Is this even real/legal?
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WardenWolf
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They're real, but there's varying reports on effectiveness. I've heard some people say they sometimes don't fragment properly.
ZombieHunter
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Plague
GregGry
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What I saw in thoes videos was people using prarie dogs as targets for shooting. It wasn't done because they could be carriers of the plague, it was done for fun. I am not against hunting in the least, and I am not against killing pests that are bothering your property. I am against killing animals just for the sake of having a target. I am sure there wasn't a house within miles of where thoes people were at, so its pretty hard to come up for a reason to kill them other then for target pratice.
Freezebyte
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*scoff* Its called farmland or cattle range
GregGry
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Its going to be pretty hard to farm on that land, and I didn't see any cattle anywhere.
Lets be honest here... in the situations portrayed in thoes videos, they were using thoes dogs as targets, and it had little to nothing to do with the potential dangers the dogs put anyone in. I am not saying its completely wrong, but you can't pull the plague card out just to make you feel better about using some prarie dogs as targets.
Lets be honest here... in the situations portrayed in thoes videos, they were using thoes dogs as targets, and it had little to nothing to do with the potential dangers the dogs put anyone in. I am not saying its completely wrong, but you can't pull the plague card out just to make you feel better about using some prarie dogs as targets.
chute2thrill
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They were testing the effectiveness of the .204 Ruger...
expvideo
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You know... if you shot a person with this the prosecutor would just love you.
HeavenlySword
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This is similar to a hollow point round.
If it stops the attacker/threat, I'll take my chances with the prosecuter
If it stops the attacker/threat, I'll take my chances with the prosecuter
notorious
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It's a high speed frangible bullet like the Magsafe or whatever that other brand was with the bluetip and the epoxied birdshot inside.
There's nothing new about this technology and it really takes away the worry that you would wound the animal and cause pain. It's instant death by massive disruption of tissue cohesion which, in a small varmint, equals disintegration.
There's nothing new about this technology and it really takes away the worry that you would wound the animal and cause pain. It's instant death by massive disruption of tissue cohesion which, in a small varmint, equals disintegration.
alaskanativeson
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Where I grew up in Colorado, the ranchers would love to have us come and do target practice on prairie dogs. Yes, it was target practice for us. However, they had cattle and horses on their property. Cattle and horse ranges can be huge, so it's not surprising that you wouldn't necessarily see livestock in a video. We always had permission to go and shoot P dogs, it was a mutual arrangement. I remember hearing of a case just outside of Boulder, CO where a kid got bubonic plague. That was about 10 miles from where I grew up and about 15 miles from where I usually went dawg shooting. I'm sure there are those who go out for purely a bloodlust, and I'll admit that there was part of it that made it exciting when I was a young kid. However, in my case, I at least knew why I was performing a service, and I was always responsible about it.
Double Naught Spy
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Right, there are plenty of frangible rounds on the market that are advertised for self defense for both civilians and LEOs.
The prosecutor isn't going to have any problems with you using such a round if the shoot is justified.
With that said, a Varmit Grenade would be a very poor performer on human-sized targets (poor penetration).
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cpttango30
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Some of you really need to get out of the dam lazy boy and do some research.
I am a die hard varmint hunter have been all my life. We use bullets like this for one reason to reduce ricochets. I don't care if there is no houses but there may be other hunters, shooters, animals or equipment in the area.
If you want to save the poor praire dog then go and see what they do to grass and farm land. They devour grass and around each hole is bare earth for atleast 20 to 25'. Livestock get stuck in the holes and DIE. Livestock to a rancher is his lively hood and he must do what he can to protect his lively hood.
The Varmint Grenade bullet design is used by the military. It is the pressed metal powder that the military is currently using they just do not have the thin jacket and hallow cavity.
If you don't like varmint hunting keep your mouth shut. I don't think hanging in a tree waiting for a deer to walk by on its way to food or sleep then blasting it is very sporting. I do not go around calling deer hunters names because of that.
So until you have seen the problems and have come up with the better solution we varmint hunters will still do what we do best. Kill varmints quick fast and in a hurry.
And yes varmints like the Praire Dogs Ground Squirrels do carry the plague. That is why you don't eat them. Lets do some research before running off at the mouth.
I am a die hard varmint hunter have been all my life. We use bullets like this for one reason to reduce ricochets. I don't care if there is no houses but there may be other hunters, shooters, animals or equipment in the area.
If you want to save the poor praire dog then go and see what they do to grass and farm land. They devour grass and around each hole is bare earth for atleast 20 to 25'. Livestock get stuck in the holes and DIE. Livestock to a rancher is his lively hood and he must do what he can to protect his lively hood.
The Varmint Grenade bullet design is used by the military. It is the pressed metal powder that the military is currently using they just do not have the thin jacket and hallow cavity.
If you don't like varmint hunting keep your mouth shut. I don't think hanging in a tree waiting for a deer to walk by on its way to food or sleep then blasting it is very sporting. I do not go around calling deer hunters names because of that.
So until you have seen the problems and have come up with the better solution we varmint hunters will still do what we do best. Kill varmints quick fast and in a hurry.
And yes varmints like the Praire Dogs Ground Squirrels do carry the plague. That is why you don't eat them. Lets do some research before running off at the mouth.
Treo
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And you whould have what authority to issue this edict ?
JImbothefiveth
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If it's designed for varmints, it probably won't be good for self-defense, it will probably lack penetration.
The cavity in particular probably makes it effective on varmints by causing it to expand quickly, and in a human this wouldn't hit anything important, so it would not have good stopping power.
Go west to see for yourself
As stated before, P-dogs are not the cute little furry critters that people make them out to be. Amazing to watch them eat their dispatched members, yes they are cannibalistic. In fact generally the first 'kill' of a trip is hitting one (not on purpose) with the truck as they are on the road eating a dead one.
Their effect on grazing land is incredible. Their mounds may spread out only 2 or 3 feet or up to 20 feet. They eat the grass down to the roots or pull it out to eat it, their mounds compact the dirt and nothing will grow on them and they carry the plague. At the ranch we shoot on in Wyoming, the rancher states that 5 to 6 P-dogs equal one cow in terms of what they eat and how much their mound reduces grazing land. Until you walk the land, you cannot fully appreciate how much damage they do.
The rancher is glad to have people come and shoot. He also has high regard for the wild life on his land making it clear that only P-dogs and coyotes can be shot. He has allowed the Wyoming game dept to place black footed ferrets on his land. We have seen these and they are nifty little critters.
We have shot at the same ranch for the last 8 years and the population does not seem to vary any more than where no shooting is allowed. The little buggers are pretty good at maintaining their population levels and we help by leaving some behind as 'seed'.
Many varmint shooters talk about huge P-dog towns being wiped out from a previous year either by the plague or by government poisoning. The ranchers in the area we shoot at in Wyoming do not want to revert to poisoning P-dogs to control them because of the collateral harm to ferrets, eagles, badgers and foxes.
Our annual trip is as much the social interactions between long time friends who live in other states and our kids (ages 7 to 23) as it is the shooting. Much in the same why that people get together for annual big game hunts. Number one rule is firearms safety and closely tied to that is no alcohol.
While there may be gun owners who disagree with shooting varmints, if it activity is legal and done safely, why should they force their views on others? It is the same as a gun owner who has only a bolt action rifle saying no one should have an AR-15 because they don't like that kind of gun and don't see any reason a person should have it.
As stated before, P-dogs are not the cute little furry critters that people make them out to be. Amazing to watch them eat their dispatched members, yes they are cannibalistic. In fact generally the first 'kill' of a trip is hitting one (not on purpose) with the truck as they are on the road eating a dead one.
Their effect on grazing land is incredible. Their mounds may spread out only 2 or 3 feet or up to 20 feet. They eat the grass down to the roots or pull it out to eat it, their mounds compact the dirt and nothing will grow on them and they carry the plague. At the ranch we shoot on in Wyoming, the rancher states that 5 to 6 P-dogs equal one cow in terms of what they eat and how much their mound reduces grazing land. Until you walk the land, you cannot fully appreciate how much damage they do.
The rancher is glad to have people come and shoot. He also has high regard for the wild life on his land making it clear that only P-dogs and coyotes can be shot. He has allowed the Wyoming game dept to place black footed ferrets on his land. We have seen these and they are nifty little critters.
We have shot at the same ranch for the last 8 years and the population does not seem to vary any more than where no shooting is allowed. The little buggers are pretty good at maintaining their population levels and we help by leaving some behind as 'seed'.
Many varmint shooters talk about huge P-dog towns being wiped out from a previous year either by the plague or by government poisoning. The ranchers in the area we shoot at in Wyoming do not want to revert to poisoning P-dogs to control them because of the collateral harm to ferrets, eagles, badgers and foxes.
Our annual trip is as much the social interactions between long time friends who live in other states and our kids (ages 7 to 23) as it is the shooting. Much in the same why that people get together for annual big game hunts. Number one rule is firearms safety and closely tied to that is no alcohol.
While there may be gun owners who disagree with shooting varmints, if it activity is legal and done safely, why should they force their views on others? It is the same as a gun owner who has only a bolt action rifle saying no one should have an AR-15 because they don't like that kind of gun and don't see any reason a person should have it.
notorious
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Fire at will! God speed, gentlemen. Don't let the uninformed ruin your run. When's the next trip? You got room for 1 more?
chris in va
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Greg, no offense but...you have no idea what you're talking about. I invite you to do a little more research on the subject before making a blanket statement about people just randomly plinking away at prairie dogs. When I lived in Longmont as a kid, we'd see vast acres of prairie dog towns in the N. Denver area.
And I agree, it's pretty sick...but it's a necessity. Many people get enjoyment out of hunting too.
And I agree, it's pretty sick...but it's a necessity. Many people get enjoyment out of hunting too.
Treo
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I want to get one of those converter kits from Cabella's that turns 2 10/22s into a gatling gun and use THAT to hunt some dawgs
notorious
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Why not just use a BMF activator? The Youtube video made it look like it works the same.
if your gonna kill, do it. dont reflect on the pain for you or for that of what you kill, otherwise you shouldn't be doing it. animals feel pain.. thats obvious. i tell you what whatching those critters blow seems a grenade to the torso to a man so how much is really possible?
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