Issue weapons for security company

[Treo]

So it's now your job to patrol the forum and chasre him away? If you think the thread is B.S.

wait for it

Don't participate

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

This is what I'd arm them with:

 

[mgregg85]

Scottish Lord, I'm sorry if you are the real deal but people like gecko45 have ruined any chance of you getting a serious response on this forum or most any other.

If you are unfamiliar with the tale of Gecko45, I would advise reading up on it on this website, the shrine of the mall ninja.

Here is a little excerpt...

I am the Sergeant of a three-man Rapid Tactical Force at one of America’s largest indoor retail shopping areas. Although there are typically between fifteen and twenty normal security officers working the beat there, we decided a while ago that it would be best to have a specilized force for violent individuals. We use modified electric vehicles and can be anywhere on a given floor within eight and a half minutes.Naturally, the regular security people are unarmed. We “RTFers”, by arrangement with the local police, carry high-strength OC spray and batons. If we have a full tactical alert and permission from the local LEOs we also have a Mossberg 500 with less-lethal rounds and two K-frame Smith .38s loaded with 158gr. LRN.Basically, the situation is that we get the call, we lock up the situation, put everything five by five, and cordon the area until the local authorities arrive. We’re cops, we just don’t get the glory. I am not permitted to carry Glocks on duty; however, when my wife picks me up from work I strap on the “Deadly Duo” of a 27 and 23, each with Bar-Sto .357 bbl.I am writing a proposal to replace our current Mossberg-Smith armament with the following:

3) MP5K-PDW with red-dot sights;
2) G36 rifles using SS109 rounds;
3) Glock practical tacticles in .357 Sig
1) PSG-1 using Fed Gold Medal .308
1) Starlight scope for the PSG-1 in case we lose power in the building.
3) Glock 27 backup guns
3) Kahr P-9 holdouts
I think this would make us capable of facing nearly any situation. I’ll let you know what the management says!!!

 

[elChupacabra!]

Don't participate

Come on Treo, you came in at post # 11 with this zinger

I would definetely get some shrikes for the tactical response vehicles.

Oh and the Trauma Plates were for .338 Laupa

You think it's just as funny as I do, come on, admit it

 

[Grey_Mana]

IMO, I might invest in a few all weather long guns, such as
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/premier_dealer_exclusives/model_870_XCS.asp , whichever version comes with the 7 shot capacity.

When you're worried about the SHTF in the pouring rain/sleet, you probably won't get around to wiping your gun off as soon as you should.

Mossberg may make a better version than Remington, but I'm not personally familiar.

 

[Splodge Of Doom]

You know, I've browsed the Gecko45 thread, and this ain't it.

I seem to remember talk of being a sergeant in MALL security, gearing up w/ more weapons than a unit of Paras, duct taping extra armour on, and being a complete fruitcake.

I do remember being told of an area in an American city (Chicago? Actually, I think it was Detroit?) where you lock the car doors and don't stop for anything, or you'll be hijacked.

What's the whole reason for concealed carry? "Not because it will happen, but because it might, and I refuse to be caught out."

Nowhere did Scottish_Lord say "We are going into a quiet suburb to fight running battles with drug dealers" but he has said that his company get hired to go into run down estates where there are drug dealers and other low-life scum in general, who might pick a fight.

The chances of some guy sparking off with an AK/AK clone?

Pretty Slim, I'd think.

But if he did?

I'd want a tank.

 

[SsevenN]

It's not just the context, it's the tone.

I will agree it's a very clever farce.

 

[elChupacabra!]

I dunno, it kinda started the same way - guy is "security" but thinks his fellow "officers" need an assortment of high-power long guns to do their job, view themselves as "law enforcement," see their "duties" as requiring serious (i.e. plate carrier) body armor... I know Gecko45 went further but this one started almost the exact same way...

 

[elChupacabra!]

It's not just the context, it's the tone.

Exactly - that condescending, "I know better than you CIVILIANS" sort of tone that implies a world-weary operator is on the other end of the keyboard, asking for advice online about how to arm his counter-insurgency force...

 

[Splodge Of Doom]

Assortment? One fiream + 1 shotgun per car?

As opposed to 18 weapons per electric buggy?

 

[olivedrab]

A huge consideration of a shotgun or rifle is pucker factor. It is a well known fact to most cops that a good shotgun rack will clear the streets of thugs in a split second. The same goes for an officer deploying a carbine when the SHTF.

i hate when people say this. should i keep my mossberg empty and just rack it over and over whenever someone breaks into my house at 230 in the morning?

and i thought you didn't know the infamous Gecko45?

Quote:
Originally Posted by elChupacabra
This is freaking amazing Thank you for revealing yourself once again and letting us bask in your glory, Gecko45
Who?

Mall SOT? Are you referring to the ever-present Mall Ninja/Specops thread from years ago, containing this quote:

Quote:
...I am the sergeant of a 3-man Rapid Tactical Response Team at one of the nation's largest shopping malls...

 

[stan in sc]

I personally wouldn't want to offer any advice or submit any criticisms until I learned what type of experience and training the employees of this company had,what their expected duties were and what the past history of the level of violence of the area they were going to be working in was.

Stan

 

[Wopasaurus]

elChupacabra! - you are out of line, very immature, and being a nuisance !!!!!


You have no idea how mad it makes me that you got to flame him before I could

 

[Scottish_Lord]

and i thought you didn't know the infamous Gecko45?

I don't. I have heard of the lore of the Mall Ninja thread, as referenced off of glocktalk, IIRC. The story is web-famous, that's for sure. I just didn't know the name of the OP.

 

[elChupacabra!]

You have no idea how mad it makes me that you got to flame him before I could

Lol sorry man I couldn't resist this is just too good to be true

 

[Grey_Mana]

Just to throw my 2 cents on the real vs Gecko fire,
The last three time I went to Fort Meade, MD, they were using contractors to guard the gates and do the pissant paperwork for signing in and out.

Of the civilian federal installations I've used in the past 6 years, about half had security. The security was always contracted. DHS rolls up to make the actual arrest (or whatever they are doing when they show up), but they aren't on the scene in force 24/7.

The government likes to hire contractors over full time federal employees, because it provides more flexibility. If you aren't sure about your funding, you can always cut a contract short (even if it ends up costing a lot more in the long run). You can put unrealistic requirements into a contract that you can't impose on a federal employee. You don't have to deal with the union (most federal jobs are bargaining unit).

So from my limited experience, I'm going to extrapoolate and say I believe the OP. Really - if the OP had said "I just got a single-source small business administration set-aside billion dollar 5-year contract to provide security and I don't know the first thing about security or guns, please help", everyone here would say "Yep, that sounds like our taxpayer dollars being spent." But the OP says he has some actual experience and suddenly he's got to submit his business case for your perusal?

 

[Gunnerpalace]

I'm not even sure a AK type semi is that popular

It is,

Detriot (spelled on purpose) they are quite popular with the crooks there,

 

[Good Shot Group]

"thinks his fellow "officers" need an assortment of high-power long guns to do their job"

So the only people that need high-powered long guns are the police and the government? Hmmm.

 

[elChupacabra!]

Ok guys, I can't hold out any longer.

Here is the OP's original post here on THR, announcing his presence:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4982730#post4982730

See post # 2787

The text:

arthurshall.com transplant

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Hello All-

27 y/o Volunteer Firefighter from western Pennsylvania here. I found this site through my dear old friend, Harry Paget Flashman. I am hawkishly defensive of our Second Amendment rights, and am a fierce libertarian.

As for the heat, I never leave the house without my Beretta 96D, and among my small collection of quality arms includes a Mosin Nagant M44 carbine, a Savage 24E-S 20G/22.LR, and my favorite, a Romanian AK47 clone with FAB and Tapco tactikewl furniture.

If you're interested in what he did at arthurshall.com, see here -

http://www.arthurshall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=53#p823

I'm particularly interested in the sig line

BANNED FOR NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM. WORKING ON GETTING A LIFE

You cannot, incidentally, view his user profile, as he is apparrently truly banned.

Now, I wonder why that might be? Maybe lying about what he does and calling other people "immature" who don't buy his line?

So, lemme reiterate that I'm not doubting the danger of Projects, or the widespread use of private security... but this guy is NOT a security "officer"

 

[Eric F]

With all due respect to the OP, The questions asked have been answered, I don’t know what you expected form THR on this. There is a good mixed bag of people from all trades and walks of life. You are not exactly asking the right crowd about what you should do.(might I suggest a security specialist of some sort) Further more you might want to think more about the business you want to start. If you don’t know what weapons to but I dare say you don’t even have a business plan ready to go. Further more do you even have a rough draft of the contract? What does the client think of long guns and shot guns on their property? What does the city think of this also?

There is a good sampling of answers here and I can only see more and more gecko45 comments coming forth. I would think about contacting a company that has similar responsibilities and see what they do. Also some of your comments seem off, like cops don’t respond to emergencies in section 8 areas??? or something similar to that. I have never heard of this ever. Even private security companies get back up from local law eenforcement if it gets that out of control. If pistols can’t do the job then the police are what you need. I wonder if your pursuit of long arms is more for intimidation than security. If so then you really shouldnt get them, it will more than likely lead to other problems.

In closing I would like to say I hope you have found some answers and wisdom into your business venture here good luck.

 

[MGshaggy]

This moron grossed $250,000 in sales in the past 6 months.

So roughly $500k/yr gross? Thats not much. Perhaps you should consider liability insurance instead of rifles (because I can't imagine you've got liability coverage for any sizable group of armed private security employees on a $500k gross). One bad incident and you will be wiped out.

 

[Treo]

So, lemme reiterate that I'm not doubting the danger of Projects, or the widespread use of private security... but this guy is NOT a security "officer"
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But what if he is? What if he's just some dumb schmuck ( like you & me) who's just trying to make a buck? There are private security firms out there that do cover that market (think Nuclear Power Plants) the company he's claiming is real ( Of course the Seals were real when Texasskyhawk was claiming to be one of them too). Even if he's lying his ass off how is it hurting you?

 

[elChupacabra!]

Even if he's lying his ass off how is it hurting you?

Well, you are right, it's not, so I'll let it go... but this was the best time I've had on THR in quite some time

 

[MGshaggy]

There are private security firms out there that do cover that market (think Nuclear Power Plants)

But those are companies like Wackenhut, that are well capitalized, highly experienced players in that market with extensive political contacts. DOE doesn't just open up the phone book and hire "Al's Security" because its the first name in the book.

 

[springmom]

Without wading into the question of whether this is in fact Gecko45 come to grace us with his presence, I do want to add a bit to the issue of the "open air drug market."

Back in the mid-90's, Archerandshooter was vicar of a church in Taylor, Texas. Taylor is about 17 miles NE of Round Rock, which is itself north of Austin (more or less all one metropolis now, but back then not so much). Taylor was divided, literally, by "the tracks", and south of the tracks there was, indeed, an open-air drug market that was seriously known throughout central Texas. Mind you, we're talking "Small Town USA" here, but down in the poor part of town gangs had essentially staked out a set of little houses and the streets around them that were "theirs" and God help anybody who stood up to them.

Until somebody did. Actually, it was a bunch of somebodies, who put together something called "Take Back Taylor". Through sheer courage and refusal to be cowed, the RESIDENTS of that area drove those scuzz out of their community; and then razed the houses to the ground. It was a cooperative effort of the community, the Ministerial Alliance, the Taylor PD, and the Williamson County SO, along with whoever contributed the stuff to raze the drug houses.

Not a single AR needed. Heck, not a single *handgun* needed (except the ones the cops carried, but they weren't using them). Eventually, the model was expanded to a program called Take Back Texas, which, IIRC, eventually folded under then-Gov. Bush (who made sure to come and get his face in the paper with the people who'd done the work, but I digress).

Point of the story: open air drug markets do exist, and some in some quite unlikely places.

If, Scottish Lord, you are for real, I'd strongly suggest that you spend some time looking into the building codes and the construction of those units your people would be patrolling. Think "thick cardboard" when you consider the walls. The sheetrock will be minimal thickness, and even a supposedly "frangible" AR round is quite dangerous in such a densely populated small area. IOW, this is a really REALLY bad idea. If you haven't done so, go visit www.theboxotruth.com and research AR ammo against sheetrock. It's impressive and might give you second thoughts.

But yeah, I still think this is Gecko45 too.

Springmom