Jogging gun / dog protection

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Really the claim that a particular species of dog is more dangerous or likely to harm someone than another is similar to claiming a particular type of firearm is more likely to be used for violence. Its all in the owner.
 
Funny how most of the dog attacks I hear about are pit bulls. Ever hear of a beagle or a lab killing a toddler? Me neither. Have heard of cases where the family pit bull attacked the kid. I just have no use for pit bulls, don't trust 'em. To each his own. I know I wouldn't want one around my grand daughter, though.
 
That there is what we call anectodal evidence. And remember, the plural of anecdote is not data.
 
If you want to know what a very scary pet is.... a damn cockatoo. My parents bought one and the thing is still living (apparently they live as long as humans). This thing will walk slowly up to you (on the floor) with its mouth open and making a hissing sound.


I wouldn't go against that bird with body armor and a 50 AE pistol. My plan is to ignore it and let my sister inherit the damn thing. :D
 
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Things to consider:

It may not be a dog (coyote/mtn. lion/bobcat)
It may not be well (rabies)
It may be CRAZY and want to eat you

Either way, it's gonna have to get shot, because I don't want to be some four legged things dinner... I'll shoot.

.40 S&W Sig P239 for me. Break your feet to many times, running very far isn't do-able. I can move, but not enough to outrun something thinks I'm tasty!
 
I'm not going to let MCgunner take all the heat on this one, as he and I have had very simular experance with shooting dogs. I've been ridding all sorts of pests from the country side for my entire life, weather it's feral dogs or cats, rats or mice, pigons or starlings, and coyotes. Anyone trying to make a living rasing livestock, farming, or even a guarden is at risk of losing their livelyhood from all pests, dogs included.

I am a dog lover, and have 3 right now, and it pains me to kill dogs, but it also pains me that people think that its alright to take the cute puppy thay got a year or two ago and got too big, keeps eating furnature, won't mind, whatever, out 5 or 6 miles from town and turn it loose. Back 15 or so years ago, I was playing catch with my sons in our yard, a van stoped by our mail box, about 100 yards from the house, and let a 120# Rotwiler out, took the coller off, and drove off. Before I could get to the house and get back with a gun, this dog had killed 2 beagles and 5 cats and was working on a lab, that latter died from her injuries. 30/30 did the job. Dont call me a jeark for killing dogs.

As far as dogs biting people, I think I saw once that small dogs account for most of the dog bites recorded, as I recall it was Doachshund was at the top of the list. I think that the problem with larger dogs, rots and pitbulls and the like, are that they are big, strong dogs, and tend to hurt people worse in an attack. I've killed way more sheperd mix dogs than any other, but If its not waring a coller around here, you can bet it it won't be around long.
 
No, but i have heard about pomeranians killing babies http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/10/0...nian.kills.ap/ a pack of chihuahua's attacking a policeman http://brecksong.com/hope/2006/01/Chihuahua_Attack.htm and as for labradors... do you know what kind of dog it was that tore that womans face off in france? the one who got the face transplant that is. Take a guess.
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Statistics are statistics. No I don't have any to quote here per-se, but its obvious that regardless personal opinions pit bulls, rottys, dobermans, and other large dogs (that have stronger insticts and bodies) have killed more people than chihuahuas. Just like more tigers have killed people that house cats.
I think if an old man in Houston can choke a pit bull to death by the collar, I can fend him off long enough to pop him in the ear with a .22.
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I don't think you realize how quickly some dog attacks take place or how devastating a dog can be. I've seen dogs attack so quickly that you wouldn't even know if you were popping him in his ear or his rear. It seems like "Sure ,I'm a tough guy, I can take a 100lb four legged animal." but its not always so.
 
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i have one other thing to offer... aside from pepper spray (which i highly recommend having used it for years while cycling), there are also some ultrasonic deterrents. here are a couple of examples:

http://www.1stlinesecurity.com/dogdeterrent1.html

http://www.dazer.com/dog-deterrent.jsp

i personally haven't used one but the UPS guy for our office SWEARED by it. size of a small garage door opener, very easy to carry. i don't know which one he used... of those products, the first site lists 130 db as the highest volume.

as a veterinary student, i would hate to have to kill a dog but an extremely aggressive, large dog can also do a significant amount of damage and I wouldn't hesitate if it came down to it.
 
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That there is what we call anectodal evidence. And remember, the plural of anecdote is not data.
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I haven't been on THR for very long, but that's the funniest thing I have
read so far.

:D
 
I bought my Taurus 651 .357mag snubby partially because it had few steel parts (sweat-resistant) and partially because it could chamber .357mag. My preferred load, 180gr Win Nos Part HP ought to have more than enough penetration for doggies that won't take "NO!" for an answer.
 
A few years back I was attacked by a pit bull type dog. as he came at me I gave him a swift kick to the head. He flew about 3-5 feet, fell backward I growled at him, he Yelped and ran away. It's my belief that we are the predator. I also believe, while the dog was over 100lbs I'm 5'10" 180-190lbs, any animal or human that gets hit hard enough in the head or face will run away. Was I just lucky?
 
I ran cross country for years and would frequently take 20 mile runs out on country roads, needless to say I had more than enough dog problems. I started out with a handful of rocks to throw, but if I could throw things accurately I would have been playing another sport than cross country. So I upgraded to pepper-spray, I never had a dog keep coming after a blast to the face, they all ran off with their tails between their legs. Carrying a gun while jogging to shoot an attacking dog is just asking for a civil suit when someone loses their poor "Brutus." It's overkill for the situation. One warning though, be aware of the predominant wind direction. I had some pepper spray com back in my face once while fending off a dog... it wasn't fun.
 
A pack of chihauhuas? Heehee! I can imagine how that went:

yipyipyip! (punt) yipyipyip! (punt) yipyipyip! (punt)
 
People who shoot dogs while jogging get arrested. They get arrested for shooting in an uban area, and they get arrested for shooting domestic pets.

If you want a "dog gun" . . . get a squirt gun full of household ammonia. That and pepper spray. If a dog chases you report it to the police.

We had a jerk shoot a dog while he was out jogging. An off-duty cop. They tossed him in jail for six months, and he'll never work on the police force again. Discharge of a firearm in an urban area, and abuse of a domestic animal.
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References and location please?

One should know the local laws. In most states the standard of justification to shoot a dog is much lower than shooting a person in self-defense. Dogs can often be shot merely for threatening livestock and in many states they can be shot for threatening any harm to a person (not necessarily death or great bodily harm.)

Owners have the responsibility in many jurisdictions for maintaining control of their dogs. If an owner fails in this legal duty and the dog gets shot as a result of threatening a person, then it is the owner's fault, not the person defending himself.

Michael Courtney
 
I know this has been discussed frequently, but I am looking for recommendations for a jogging gun that would be effective against dogs as well. I would normally carry pepper spray as well, but I think I am interested in adding a firearm to the mix and going the fanny pack route.

Recently I have been carrying a S&W 442 .38 snub loaded with +P LHPs. But I am questioning its effectiveness.

Also, are there advantages or disadvantages of revolvers over semis, or vice versa? I am primarily concerned about the constant bouncing around of the firearm innards.

I'm assuming I should focus on lighter weight guns so as to minimize risk of injury to the lower back.
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If the weight is firmly supported by your hips, there is minimal risk of lower back injury.

The fanny pack is pretty slow to draw from. Dog attacks happen pretty quickly. I prefer a holster under a light shirt untucked as a cover garment. I've drawn a few times on an approaching dog and it is much faster.

The key to carrying in a holster during rigorous activities is to have a good wide belt and a good holster. I've jogged, played tennis, played basketball, bicycled, etc. with a Sig P229 firmly attached to each hip.
 
A few years back I was attacked by a pit bull type dog. as he came at me I gave him a swift kick to the head. He flew about 3-5 feet, fell backward I growled at him, he Yelped and ran away. It's my belief that we are the predator. I also believe, while the dog was over 100lbs I'm 5'10" 180-190lbs, any animal or human that gets hit hard enough in the head or face will run away. Was I just lucky?

On one occassion my uncle's pit bull attacked me. Maybe it was just fun for him, he was just biting my feet like it was a game but it hurt like heck. So I kicked him in face as hard as I could. His head snapped back violently like his neck was broken, then he'd bite my feet again like nothing had happened. this went on for several minutes before my uncle made him stop.
I was a teenager at the time and could kick pretty hard. But it didn't matter. Maybe it would have mattered if I had on steel-toed boots. But I was just wearing sneakers. I kicked the dog until my legs were exhausted and he still kept biting my feet.
If that dog had decided he wanted to do more than make my feet bleed he could have. With some animals, it doesn't matter what you do with your body to them. You'll only stop them if you have a weapon.
-David
P.S. all that is to say, you got very lucky.
 
Most pits I have known have been good dogs...and pretty oblivious to head blows.

No, I wasn't out whacking the poor dears, but pits just ain't that bright and they tended to run into things with their noggins. The sound of a pit running full-bore into a door frame could wake a whole house, but not even give the pit pause.
 
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1) Seems like any gun you could comfortably wear (concealed) running would be a really slow draw and too late by the time the dog got to you.

2) A dog running at you is also a pretty tough target! Fine motor is first to go with increased heart rate when running.

Never done it, but it seem like I would be better off with a fine blade. (with the caveat that if the dog is rabid I am screwed)

Personally I imagine an asp baton would be a fine weapon for a dog attack, but again running with any hunk of metal sucks.

Well what could be better than the ultrasonic dog blaster listed by a prior poster? Do they really work? Proof? Testing? If a reputable company made one and could demonstrate it works and it not a peice of crap, I would buy one.

I recently moved to a city with no leash law and this huge dog is always running up on me. I am not fearful of dogs, but would not want my nephew around. I thought to feed the dog and make friends but then it would probably come around more. Maybe the ultrasonic dog blaster needs to be tested. I'll do it and report back.

Amazingly, if I am not mistaken, here in Calif, carrying a blade or an asp baton is as legally serious as a loaded gun....
 
The wife and I jog about 6 miles in a hour so not running hard but more than walking everyday. I wear Smart Carry at 4 o'clock with a Glock 26 and it is very comfortable. Does'nt bang and flap around. Carry a extra mag, cell phone, money clip, sometimes Mace for dogs. Depending on the dog I may pull the gun? Depends. I have been attacked by dogs that I kept off of me with a club before Texas had CHL when I was jogging. I called the DA and he said killing a dog was OK if it was out on a public road or street and attacking you. But that was awhile back.
 
I've encountered many dogs over the years, even a couple of packs of wild dogs. Not once did I even have to as much as raise a weapon. I think it may be my lack of fear of the animals and not playing the prey role as those with an unhealthy fear of dogs usually play that contribute to that(combined with never having to come across a sick or abused dog). Like GCW5(and unlike MCGunner), I could never derive pleasure from shooting dogs and hope I never have to shoot a dog. Especially a domestic dog. As dogs possess no malice, the canines I'd be most worried about would be the sick or severely abused ones(which one has to keep in mind is not common). Regardless of local law, you should only act in self-defense. People tend to get reasonably angry when the friendly neighborhood dog is shot by a coward. It could cost you in civil court or worse.

While running, I place faith in the 158gr HP .38 Special +P.
 
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A few years back I was attacked by a pit bull type dog. as he came at me I gave him a swift kick to the head. He flew about 3-5 feet, fell backward I growled at him, he Yelped and ran away. It's my belief that we are the predator. I also believe, while the dog was over 100lbs I'm 5'10" 180-190lbs, any animal or human that gets hit hard enough in the head or face will run away. Was I just lucky?
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Right you are, we are predators. Attitude and not luck was your weapon, in my opinion.

I have a friend who learned to deal with dogs as a white, mid teen in Africa where he hunted and taxidermied almost everything that was legal to hunt and sold the mounted specimens to a Boston Museum where to this day the African exhibits are largely his work.

On his way home from high school one day back in America, he was held at bay by an off duty police officer's attack K-9. He asked the man to release the dog. The off duty cop smugly refused. After a second refused request, my friend then raised his left hand as if it was holding a weapon. As the dog went for the weapon, my friend broke its neck by kicking it with his right knee. The cop lost his job.
 
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