Just How Safe is YOUR Safe?

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Yes, but that base is covered in my part of the country. One would still be at a severe disadvantage if one didn't notice that the house had been compromised. Rather a perfect ambush.

I've walked into my home once after it had been burgled (different location). They came in the back door, I came in the front and I didn't notice anything amiss until I got to an upturned bedroom. Fortunately, the burglars had long left, but they would have had me cold in most cases. Subject for a different thread methinks.

wiscoaster said:
And that's why the Supreme Court needs to rule that outside the home carry is protected by the Second Amendment.
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When I decided a safe was in order I did not shop any of the discount stores. I went to a few stores that did safes and only safes, all kinds of safes. You want a good safe that meets safe specifications you go to a store that sells safes. You can also figure on paying the price. Long before the safe there are other home security measures in place. Just consider everything. The safe is guns, important documents and papers and a key selling pointwas my wife's jewelry. :)

Ron
 
I have a Sturdy Safe gun safe. It's a nice gun safe, decent amount of metal for the price, and does what I need while being well built enough to stop the average residential burglar looking for something to sell quick so he can get his fix.

I also have a Cincy Safe TL30 safe (I believe, I'm no expert). Got it used off Craigslist for a decent price. This thing is a beast. It's 34" tall, 30" wide and 30" deep. Weighs about 1,700 lbs or so, so it's not being wheeled off anytime soon. The sides, top, bottom, and back are 1.1" plate. The door is 1.6" plate. Your average residential burglar may try hammering the dial, or turning the handle, but they're not getting into this thing. No fire insulation, but I'm not too worried about that at this time. It sits in the basement, and the only way out is up the stairs, or through the backyard, up an unpaved slope, then across the gravel front yard. There are no holes to anchor it, and I don't have a mag drill so it won't be anchored to the deck. But probably not necessary based on location, weight, and other security measures in place.

Nobody sees me running in and out of the house, loading up my eleven year old truck with guns, jewels, cocaine, or any other pricey or desirable goods, and I don't advertise that I have guns, jewels, large quantities of cocaine, or any other pricey or desirable goods, and as mentioned, my primary mode of transportation is an eleven year old pickup truck with dents along the side from an encounter with an inattentive driver and guard rail, so I'm not a likely target. Oh, and I'm having a vault built in my basement, getting tired of buying safes, and still having to cram guns into them all willy-nilly, and the vault door will be camouflaged, and the beast is inside the vault footprint, and I have no way to move it, so it will be a safe inside a vault with a camouflaged door. And the Sturdy safe will sit outside the vault with low value stuff in it as a decoy.
 
lightman said:
I've seen that video or one like it years ago. But it serves its purpose and that was to make you think. My suggestion when it comes to gun safes is to buy the biggest and heaviest you can afford, place it in a corner and out of sight. And bolt it down. Then keep a low profile about what you have. Layered security is good. Cameras, monitored alarm systems, dog, good neighbors, ect.

My safe is in my loading room (well, so much for low profile) which has a lock on a solid door. But the main thing about the lockable door is that when we have strangers in the house I pull the door shut and lock it. So strangers can not see my safe.

I have an agreement with my 2 closest neighbors. We trust each other enough that we tell each other when we are going to be away overnight and we just pay a little more attention to each others houses.
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Do they also have guns and enjoy reloading? Cause that's a great way to help bolster each others supplies during hard times such as now... I on the other hand, I wish to someday live in BFE and have nobody to bother me at all lol. So that way if any one is anywhere near my house, I know they are up to no good...
 
Obturation said:
That's why I keep a rabid wolverine in my safe, SURPRISE!
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In biblical times kings, and the wealthy, kept Baboons and Peacocks. Peacocks raised a racket and the Baboons will tear you apart.

Mexico has a far larger problem with break ins. Thus they tend to have compounds with high walls that have broken glass set into the concrete. Then 50 chihuahuas to raise the alarm and couple of mastiffs to deal with the intruders.

How many of you could built a walled compound that would house 50 people? And be cartel proof?
 
I always thought most gun owners will do just fine with a cheap gun safe like the stack-on, then put the safe out of sight. There hard enough to get into for the average break in, and if bolted down properly just as heavy as any other safe. Plus being cheap you can buy enough to actively fit your guns, if you have space for them.
 
The main thing is two fold. I'll comment on the easier, first.

#1, Multiple layers of security at the safe location. Exterior lights at night. Ext. cams. GOOD name brand deadbolts. Door jam is reinforced metal framing , or, long i.e. 3'' screws to mount. Sec. system. REAL KEY CONTROL,not having evvvveryone who has ever lived there (includes your kids in college) having keys. Your family that dwell there, and 1 trusted person off site but local in case of...need

#2, Here's the difficult...keep your mouth shut and your pictures of alllll your goodies of websites, texts, face-parchment (face-clay-tablet ?) :alien:

I didn't say it, ''A man's home is his castle'' :cool:
 
troy fairweather said:
I always thought most gun owners will do just fine with a cheap gun safe like the stack-on, then put the safe out of sight. There hard enough to get into for the average break in, and if bolted down properly just as heavy as any other safe. Plus being cheap you can buy enough to actively fit your guns, if you have space for them.
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Not from my experience. Some things aren't even a challenge for a descent size screwdriver or small prybar. I agree all safes should be bolted down, but the steel thickness, bolt supports, etc. will also buy you time. It might just make them move on to your TV and go.

From a customer a while back: "Wanted to let you know that a few weeks ago we had a burglary and the dude found the FAS1 bolted down by my bed and it appears he tried to pry it open and failed. He got away with plenty of stuff, and the Stack On security cabinet didn't keep him from some of my long guns... but he didn't get my pistols, thanks in part to your product."

His handgun safe was all scratched up where they were trying to pry the door and his insurance replaced it with just that damage.
 
Yep, as others have said, multiple layers of security is key. Motion devices inside the safe are also a good thing to have. They detect movement, door open/close and heat/cold temp swings. Add that in to a home security system that is not dependent on your wifi is also a big plus.

Also, bolting down the safe into the basement concrete is money well spent. A good dog is also a great piece of security!
 
Mine is bolted to the floor, in a closet that you have to walk outside to turn around. Hardly anything inside the safe worth going to jail for. But again, only knuckle heads would try to get it open. The alarm would drown out their conversation. Bad safes are better than no safes.
 
My safe is a Sports Afield...kind of run of the mill that you buy at a chain gun store. I have it bolted to a concrete floor in a remote area of the house. Hopefully the bad guys would be uncomfortable in not having no clear escape route should they be surprised. My primary purpose for it is to keep my guns away from curious grandchildren.
 
So how much does a really good safe cost? $3000, $4000 or more. I recently bough a 48 gun safe. I suspect anyone with the proper tools can be in my safe in a few minutes or less.
One thing I do have is a camera system and connections that can`t be turned off. A good alarm system and cameras should be part of every gun owners layer of defense.
All cameras transmit to the cloud. Everything is battery backed up. The camera batteries last for almost two years and the backup battery to my router and modem will last a couple of days. Yeah I know there are ways around this system but I think the average burglar will not think of such things,
 
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5-10 minutes with a cut off wheel and a couple pry bars will get you into a good bit of gun safes. Or just look at YouTube with the brand of safe. Lock picking lawyer is a good one.
 
Hokkmike said:
I wonder if you could glue a safe to the floor. Wait - is that a stupid idea???
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If it works, it's not stupid.
PL-1 Premium is some serious construction adhesive.
You'd need to throughly clean the bottom of the safe and the concrete--no dust at all, but, I'd wager that would e a one heck of a bond.

Breaking that bond, though, might be an, well, adventure. It would probably want a phosphor-bronze wire and some toggle handles to "saw" the glue joint apart. All while tipping the safe "just enough."
 
In my mind security is a question of intent. If the intent is convenience with a shade of security then a safe is a decent option.
For me, my intent is that my arms be kept from the hands of others. For that reason, it is deception that guides the strategy.
I do have a basic firesafe in my home, but I don't actually keep anything in it. All my important arms and documents are in fireproof containers hidden in walls or floors. The only exception to this is my 'carry' pistol and associated ammunition which I want immediately available anyway.

The entire idea of something being impregnatable is silly. Enough effort will break any fortification. The only question is 'how much effort?' If someone is willing to take the associated risk to start breaking down my home from the inside out to find my belongings then they are likely part of an organization I'd rather not cross and are welcome to whatever they find.
 
Well a little off topic but the thread did remind me it's that time of the year when following a long dry winter in NE Ohio the humidity is on an increase so today I baked out all my desiccant bags I keep in the gun safe. :) While the safe offers decent security for its contents it is not humidity proof and humidity and guns just do not get along well. :)

As to a safe? You get what you pay for and only the buyer knows what they want or need. Thinking maybe this summer I should add another safe. Ever notice that a 32 gun safe only holds 16 or a 64 gun safe about 32? Seems they comfortable accommodate about half of as advertised. I do like those little handgun racks which can sit on the shelves.

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Ron
 
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