amd6547
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I save my GP11 brass.
Grafs gets the primers in sometimes...
Someday I may give loading it a try.
Grafs gets the primers in sometimes...
Someday I may give loading it a try.
K-31 No Thanks
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Shadow 7D
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I read a link off of surplus rifle, don't know if it was an article there or on a reloading website, on how to convert Berdan brass to take Boxer primers.
I've been thinking about buying one of these for ages. Still, when I actually handled the gun, it was very large and heavy, with a short stock. Also, with Obamamania, they were
real expensive for awhile, with little ammo.
I like the round, in that little recoil, bullet weight is adequate, and, a rifle has to be accurate for me to keep it.
In the end, I keep thinking a Dillon 550 and loading for my 30-06 are a better idea, or, a match grade barrel for my Mark X.
real expensive for awhile, with little ammo.
I like the round, in that little recoil, bullet weight is adequate, and, a rifle has to be accurate for me to keep it.
In the end, I keep thinking a Dillon 550 and loading for my 30-06 are a better idea, or, a match grade barrel for my Mark X.
I dug a primer out of a GP11 case, and the pocket is larger than a regular large rifle Boxer primer, so I don't see how you could convert the brass to Boxer. It's beautiful brass, but I just can't see trying to reload Berdan primed cases as ever being worth the time. I'll just buy aftermarket cases, or more GP11.
Here is a fairly informative link to convert berdan to boxer YMMV.. intersting site on all the Swiss rifles though.
Hardtarget
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I've got one too. I'd like to shoot it more but I haven't bought much ammo. I want to reload for it so i ordered privi brass from graffs before Christmas...not here yet. I need a new source so I can start reloading.
Mark
Mark
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35 Whelen: Superb.
That group might equal what many guys do with scopes from 100 yards.
You might want to keep that photo away from AR-15 websites, unless many of those shooters can duplicate that group.
That group might equal what many guys do with scopes from 100 yards.
You might want to keep that photo away from AR-15 websites, unless many of those shooters can duplicate that group.
snake284
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Fantastic for a 70-90 year old rifle if it's that old. At least 50 I'd say. But whatever, it's vintage and a smooth operator.
35 Whelen
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At the time I shot the group with GP-11, I had just mounted the Lyman 48 sight and it was using some standard aperture. I don't know exactly what size the aperture was if that's what you're asking.
Sorry.
35W
OAL only matters if you are reloading. I've never had a problem with factory or surplus ammo. Cutting your nose was your fault. Why would you assume you should place your nose that close to it or did you pull the bolt back without moving your head? My K31 is a fantastic shooter. Its accurate and fast to shoot. If the STHF I wouldn't make it my first choice but the Swiss were well served by it for a lot of years. It is a military rife after all. To each his own though I guess. You certainly don't have to like something just because its popular. I haven't had a lot of luck with 1911s but I understand that it works well for a boatload of others.
Steve Marshall
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Geez Louise! Move my head to retract the bolt? No. I never had to with any other bolt gun- I'm not about to start now. Put on an extension for the stock? I think not. Fast, they are not. Accurate, they are. So be it. For me, they are ergonomically challenged, and thus not geared for the type of shooting I like or may someday need. Give me my peep sight and a quick reload capability and I'm happy.
LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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They were issued with magazine chargers... Easier to use than typical stripper clips, made of bakelite and tin if I am not mistaken... just have to find em.
And you must be one big son of a gun Mr. Steve, because I can leave the rifle on m shoulder and cycle the action a damn pretty sight faster than any other bolt I own or have shot.
And you must be one big son of a gun Mr. Steve, because I can leave the rifle on m shoulder and cycle the action a damn pretty sight faster than any other bolt I own or have shot.
35 Whelen
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Neither. Lyman 48 rear with some generic aperture and an issue front sight.
35W
How is the diopter mounted? Did you have to drill and tap the receiver?
A big head do get in the way with many things.
Straight back/forward action vs. up, back, forward, down action.....my physics knowledge is lacking but could someone shed some light as to how back-forward isn't faster?
35 Whelen
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It was mounted to the side of the receiver via drilling and tapping.
I say was because I found a much easier way to mount a much better sight:
That's a Redfield Palma.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!!!
35W
Steve Marshall
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Many things in life are counter-intuitive. My take here is that Swiss owners believe their rifle is the best and that's that. But that is typical in society today. Very few people are willing to try anything that might be non-mainstream. To those that work a K-31 without losing cheek weld, work on your recharging skills and you might just beat Enfield times. Trouble is I can't do it, the other two shooters I've seen use the Swiss can't do it and in all the videos I watched purporting the great speed of the K-31, they didn't keep cheek weld either. So raise head, back, forward, lower head versus backup forwarddown without having to move hand up to the bolt or move head. You also don't have to reacquire the sights every time. For a military bolt rifle, the K-31 in general is the penultimate accuracy machine. But it is not anywhere near the top of the list as a combat bolt rifle. For my money, practical accuracy is far more important than precision. AND I can get stripper clips almost anywhere.
Caliper_Mi
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Faulting the rifle for having too short a LOP for your frame is just silly. Like saying you won't wear a certain brand of shoes because the first one you picked up was too small for you. Are you the same height as the average Swiss soldier from the pre-WWII era? Maybe their uniform was thicker than what you wear while shooting?
Not saying that you need to make a permanent mod to the rifle, just slip on a buttpad, or cut a piece of wood to go between the stock and buttplate to increase the LOP to fit your frame.
35 Whelen
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That is a #46 Weaver base and a Lipski sight base from Brownells. Super, super easy job to drill and tap the top of the receiver for anyone who has a scope base drilling jig.
I feel your pain with regards to drilling a K-31. But I more than that I hate the thought of keeping an extremely accurate rifle in the safe just because I want to keep it as-issued. All my rifles will be utilized or I sell them.
So, I kept the prettiest walnut stocked one (I owned five K31's at the time) which will forever remain as-issued. I bought a beech stocked one from Allan's Armory (pretty beat up stock too) and decided to make it my match rifle. I ran across another beech stocked one that if and when I shoot out the barrel on my current K-31, it will become my next match rifle.
For what it's worth, when I got my C&R, the first rifles I bought were Mosin 91/30's because they were so inexpensive. Then cam the M38's and M44's. About that time, our local Big 5 began running No.4 Enfield's for $99, so I started buying them. Going from memory, I've owned about 5 or 6 No.4's. I live in the country and have my own range so I shoot alot. I recall one 2-3 month period when I loaded and fired about 700 rounds through my Enfields. (I know this because I opened a brand new carton of large rifle primers when I began loading the .303) During this period I also bought three Ishapores and have shot them some.
I had seen K-31's, but thought they were the silliest looking rifles I'd ever seen and had no interest in them, so I carried on with my No.4's.
After awhile I began reading about the incredible accuracy of the K-31's so I got one. About the same time, I ran across some really good deals on some 1903's and 1903A3's which I have fired extensively. I still own two No.4's and two Ishapores, though I intend to whittle that down to one No.4 soon.
So to imply I have no experienxe with Enfields would be silly. I have no idea how much you shoot, but unless you shoot ALOT, I'd bet I've sent more rounds downrange out of Enfields than YOU!
So Steve, why don't you just accept the fact that most people here love their K-31's and move on? It's as if you're trying to change everyones minds. You're not going to change our minds about the K-31 any sooner than we'll change your mind about Enfields.
Regards,
35W
Steve Marshall
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I have a grand total of ten rounds fired in a K-31. The FIRST time I worked the bolt to eject the fired round, it bloodied me. I tried 8 more shots. I mounted the stock just like any other bolt gun I've ever shot. If you want to move your head each time you fire a round, have at it. I don't have to do that for Mosins, Mausers or any other rifle for that matter. Suffice it to say I'll stick to the rifles I like, be it bolt or semi. And I certainly would not bring pressure on the owner of the rifle to modify it . I'm also aware that every video I've seen- every one, the shooter moved his head off the stock to eject a fired cartridge. So let's here how fast some K-31 owners are. Not ten shots in a minute. Surely someone has timed themselves firing say, 30 shots. Or perhaps not. I'd wager that you could find people who've timed themselves with just about any other military surplus rifle.
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