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"Knock" warrant, cop shot dead

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by TheeBadOne, Jul 8, 2003.

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  1. TheeBadOne

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    Deputy Sheriff George Monroe Selby
    Shelby County Sheriff's Department, TN
    End of Watch: Wednesday, December 4, 2002

    Age: 32
    Tour of Duty: 8 yr

    Deputy Selby was shot and killed as he and other members of the Narcotics Unit attempted to serve a warrant at a home in the Frayser neighborhood in northern Memphis at approximately 2000 hours. The deputies knocked on the door and identified themselves. No one answered the doors and moments later shots were fired from inside the home. Deputy Selby was struck in the shoulder in an area not protected by his vest. He was transported to Regional Medical Center where he succumbed to his wounds.

    One of the suspects was shot and wounded and both were taken into custody.

    Deputy Selby had been with the agency for eight years and had been assigned to the Narcotics Unit for two years. He is survived by his wife and two children.
     
  2. keyhole

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    :(

    This serves as a reminder of how hard the job can be, and the goal of every officer, to go home at the and of each shift. My prayers for the family.
     
  3. brownie0486

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    He gave the ultimate sacrifice and we have lost another brother officer.

    Prayers to the family

    Brownie
     
  4. brookstexas

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    Hmmmmm

    First let me say it is tragic when a public servant dies.

    You are dead asleep on the couch, you awaken to pounding, someone breaking in and yelling "Obendohnowbrgthdsghtmushgibberish".
    There is a game being played in many locals which endanger the cops and public.
    Police know once they identify themselves evidence can be destroyed etc. so it becomes let's do the legal minimum so fast it's lost value.
    You are dead asleep on the couch, you awaken to pounding, someone breaking in and yelling "Obendohnowbrgthdsghtmushgibberish".
     
  5. Don Gwinn

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    That certainly happens, but in this case it doesn't look likely. The shots were fired through the door, so they must not have smashed it open instantly, right?
     
  6. TheeBadOne

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    Correct Don, they knocked, announced, and waited for a response, and got one. Unfortunately it was gunfire through the door. :(
     
  7. brookstexas

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    The door open or closed makes no difference to

    someones self defense instincts.
    I KNOW the rest of us would have let them come through the door and asked for I.D. before shooting. ;)
     
  8. Greg L

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    My sympathies to the officer's family.

    :scrutiny:

    I do need to question though these various drive by postings of events that happened months ago with no tie in to anything current. This one in particular happened 7 months ago. The "Cop Killer Rhino Ammo" thread was first posted 5 days ago yet the event occurred 6 months ago. What's the point? That someone involved in something that can be high risk got killed doing their job? Well ok, then how about the highway worker who gets hit by a piece of machinery or the fireman caught in a fire. We've had both of those happen near here much more recently than either of these two policemen, yet neither one of them made the "TBO General Discussion Obituary Page".

    I've got friends on the local force and while it would tear my heart out if one of them got killed it really is only a local story (as it should be because those are the people who knew him best). It seems like it would only get national/widespread attention if it was a slow news day / he died in an unusual or spectacular manner / or the media had a certain agenda they wanted to push and these circumstances fit in that box.

    Just wondering.

    Greg
     
  9. Zundfolge

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    I think you short change most of us here.

    Most of us here are devotees to the 4 rules ... Rule #4 is "Know your target and whats behind it"


    I believe most of us would have called 911 to verify that the people at the door where indeed real police, but none of us would have fired through the door not knowing who we where shooting at (then again maybe these guys did follow rule 4 and they wanted to shoot cops)
     
  10. Tamara

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    Another senseless, useless casualty in the WO(S)D.
     
  11. brookstexas

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    Tamara,

    I think you get the plain sense award for that comment, sad and true...
     
  12. Duncan Idaho

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    They didn't come through the door. The shots that killed the policeman came through the door.

    It isn't self-defense when one isn't being threatened with deadly force. Killing a person (by shooting them through a door/wall) that has identified himself as a police officer serving a search warrant is still called murder. You cop-killer cheerleaders haven't won that one yet. Just so you know.:fire: :fire: :fire: :scrutiny: :barf:
     
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    I agree with Tamara.

    How prevalent were high-speed raids (be they 'knock' or 'no-knock') prior to the War on (some) Drugs?

    That's your real 'root cause' here.

    My sympathies to the officer and his family.
     
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    I don't think anyone on this board cheers when a police officer is murdered.

    Chill.
     
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    Duncan,Duncan, Duncan,

    Please read what I said again.
    -Sometimes you can't hear what someone on the other side of the door says, TV is loud, Asleep etc. or said so fast as to be unintelligible.
    -I never said ANYONE came through the door, I made a remark that in many cases (Home invasion areas etc.) many folks aren't going to wait until the door comes down.
    I look at it this way, if this happens to me-
    1-I know it's not cops as they have no reason to arrest me (unless as in many cases they got the house number wrong)
    2-If I do hear them say police I might find it bogus and think "home invasion"
    3-I doubt I would shoot through a door but I can see how many might out of fear for their life
    4-Sorry if you took my statement about how it's tragic to mean I am happy about what happened, not sure how that was misinterpreted
     
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    My sympathy is with his family.:(
     
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    That would be because it wasn't.

    Maybe you might like to go back to your post and remove the cutsie little wink smilies that you posted, before someone else "misinterprets" what you meant. :rolleyes:
     
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    By "high-speed" I assume that you mean waiting on the other side of the door until fataly shot to death for doing one's job. Right? :barf:
     
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    RIP

    We are diminished.

    12-34hom.
     
  20. brookstexas

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    Duncan??? Hello, hello???

    Look at my first post see any cutsie winks it it????

    My second post was about the way I stated that others would get ID after they came through the door before they made up their mind about shooting . Yes that had a ;) after it.
    That's like saying Ben Franklin wrote a joke book after he wrote about liberty so he wasn't serious about liberty. Punctuation has a reason.
    Some get it, some don't.
    Trust me if I felt it WASN'T a shame the cop got killed I would have said so.
    BT
     
  21. Matt G

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    Bull. The root cause to this murder was that a murderer did not want to go to jail for something he was doing illegal. Be it a warrant for felony Possession With Intent To Distribute or a warrant for No Bread In The Bread Box, it was a warrant being served in good faith. Disagree with the law? Fine. Disagree with past tactics? Fine.

    But the root cause of this murder was: a man knowingly broke the law for whatever reason (my bet's on greed, but that's an assumption), and then chose to murder an officer rather than go to jail for his actions.

    Let's not forget about our individual responsibility, here, okay?
     
  22. cordex

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    Tragic.

    A case of entirely unnecessary brutality.

    So was this:
    http://www.indystar.com/print/articles/0/056422-7230-092.html

    Not sure where you were trying to go with the "Knock" warrant, cop shot dead bit.
    I think the cop's death was an outrageous murder (regardless of the reason the warrant was issued), but tragedy doesn't justify tyranny. In other words, yeah, his knocking probably gave the perp a chance to kill him, but it's part of the procedure that protects the people who don't spray the door with rifle fire whenever someone knocks on it.

    Why didn't you post this on December 5th, 2002?
     
  23. NapAttack

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    This thread brought out an interesting point I'd like some comments on.

    I've heard it mentioned before and seen it posted that you can and should call 911 or the police department to verify that these are actually police. How many of you actually believe that the police would wait politely outside the door while you called the police dept to verify their status? Especially if they were there to serve a warrant? I'd especially like to hear from LEOs on this.

    I don't want to start a flame war here and I'm not bashing cops. It simply stretches my credibility quotient quite a bit that the police would wait outside the door while you called to verify their status. From the officers I've known and the information I've gathered the minute you asked them to wait while you called the next thing you'd hear would be your door crashing in.

    BTW, to put things in perspective, I've never been arrested or had any hassles whatsoever with police, nothing worse than a traffic ticket or several that I richly deserved.
     
  24. Duncan Idaho

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    Your first post was some sort of gibberish that had no relationship to the events that are depicted in the story that inspired this thread. To wit:
    Your second post suggests a right of self-defense, in this case murdering a police officer serving a warrant, for those folks who find themselves to be the object of an arrest warrant.
    No. Great analogy though. :rolleyes:
     
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    Duncan...

    Rather than bore the forum further I'll give you the last word being that you are a Frank Herbert fan. ;)
    BT
     
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