KT Sub2000 Gen 2 on Gunbroker

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In addition, price wise, this rifle is really only comparable to the Hi Point. Most AR and other 9mm rifles are a good bit more expensive.
 
Artofgolf said:
... have a waiting list for the GEN 2 Sub2000.
Price is $399.99 & they will call you when it's available. It's a lot cheaper than the scalpers on GB :)
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Update: They called today with a Gen 2 that was available. Elapsed time was right at 2-1/2 months. I was hoping for another parkerized subbie; it wasn't, so I passed :mad:
 
wait Kel-Tec is putting different finishes on the Gen 2s?

i never even payed attention to mine since there's very little exposed metal but I guess the first batch that went out were all parkerized.

however, after a 2.5 month wait, I'm a little surprised you passed over a difference in finish...what did the last one come with?
 
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Captains1911 said:
However, there is a very practical advantage to being able to carry a small, completely unsuspicious looking case that contains a weapon with greater capabilities than a handgun, and that takes literally 2 to 3 seconds to unfold and work the action to deploy.
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A weapon that takes multiple steps before being ready to use is LESS capable than a handgun. The whole point of carrying a weapon is that you may need it now, not in a few seconds after you open your absurd case, assemble some stuff and work the action.

This thing is retarded.
 
Incidentally, this "laptop bag" carry mechanism for a weapon classified as a rifle is illegal, even with a concealed weapons permit, in states that specifically permit you to carry a handgun. Be careful retarded weapons don't also lead to incarceration.
 
dude you should open a law firm. I totally bought a sub2000 for the sole purpose of carrying it around town in my giant man-purse. what will I do with it now?
 
Well, don't look now but that's exactly what someone on the previous page suggested doing with it - one of the supposed benefits of this folding whatever the heck it is. The next most brilliant idea was to fold it in a gym bag in your truck because, well, I have no clue why you would want to do that when you could have a non-folded weapon in your truck. But there you have it...

So while you may not be toting it in YOUR man purse, someone was eager to do so. Hopefully they've checked their state laws.
 
allivak said:
...however, after a 2.5 month wait, I'm a little surprised you passed over a difference in finish...what did the last one come with?
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The one I originally bought was parkerized and I prefer that over the blued/black treatment. I was going to squirrel that second one away....
 
The Big D said:
A weapon that takes multiple steps before being ready to use is LESS capable than a handgun. The whole point of carrying a weapon is that you may need it now, not in a few seconds after you open your absurd case, assemble some stuff and work the action.

This thing is retarded.
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So because YOU don't see a use or benefit, it is useless and retarded. A bit arrogant are we?

Plus, you could make that statement about carrying ANY long gun, because there really is no way to practically carry one on your person.
 
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The Big D said:
Incidentally, this "laptop bag" carry mechanism for a weapon classified as a rifle is illegal, even with a concealed weapons permit, in states that specifically permit you to carry a handgun. Be careful retarded weapons don't also lead to incarceration.
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The Big D said:
Well, don't look now but that's exactly what someone on the previous page suggested doing with it - one of the supposed benefits of this folding whatever the heck it is. The next most brilliant idea was to fold it in a gym bag in your truck because, well, I have no clue why you would want to do that when you could have a non-folded weapon in your truck. But there you have it...

So while you may not be toting it in YOUR man purse, someone was eager to do so. Hopefully they've checked their state laws.
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You are making a lot of unwarranted assumptions.
 
Captains, that's why they make chocolate, vanilla & strawberry.
I can't understand the aversion either, but that's the way he wants to roll..:confused:

Moving right along.....;)
 
Artofgolf said:
There is one vendor on GunBroker that offers some accessories for the S2K. He uses the vendor name earley.
I placed an order for a replacement rear sight; will report back when installed + tested ;)
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Received the sight ~ pics below ;)

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Flipped-over

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The flat machined on the sight-lever rod :p Excellent!

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Hope this one works ......?
 
Artofgolf said:
...The new one will fold forward with a flip of the sight lever :)
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A firm push required ~ a little stiff because it's new.

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The conical aperture of this peep really helps my old eyes :cool:

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Plenty of clearance when folded.

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Precisely indexes for use when the sub is unfolded. ;) Excellent!

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Materials, fit & finish are superb!
Looks like we may have a winner *:D* here.
Will report back after live-fire testing.
 
looks good Art, thanks for the pictures....let us know how it works at the range.

Captains1911-
I read your thread on ktog about your optic setup(http://www.thektog.org/forum/f85/offset-mount-red-dot-264294/index3.html) and I see you ran into some difficulty getting the thing sighted in....just wanted to add my 2 cents.

first things first, I'm sure I'm missing something here, but I'm not sure why an offset/canted mount would make things more difficult. surely there is a way to secure your sub2000 in such a manner that your RDS is sitting in the center 12 o'clock position while you're sighting the gun in? As you've already mentioned, this will create some issues when you attempt to make windage adjustments or something, but that seems like an acceptable trade off with a relatively short-ranged gun like the sub2000.

also in regards to the fit of any mounts....I've noticed the handguard on my sub does have a very very minor amount of play in it, but you have to really manhandle the thing to detect it...plus its polymer. If this is creating issues with zeroing in optics, I really need to consider just saving up for a Red Lion indexing rail.

please let us know how it works out...I will be purchasing my optic setup fairly soon and was going to use the same MI offset etc.

Thanks
 
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allivak said:
looks good Art, thanks for the pictures....let us know how it works at the range.

Captains1911-
I read your thread on ktog about your optic setup(http://www.thektog.org/forum/f85/offset-mount-red-dot-264294/index3.html) and I see you ran into some difficulty getting the thing sighted in....just wanted to add my 2 cents.

first things first, I'm sure I'm missing something here, but I'm not sure why an offset/canted mount would make things more difficult. surely there is a way to secure your sub2000 in such a manner that your RDS is sitting in the center 12 o'clock position while you're sighting the gun in? As you've already mentioned, this will create some issues when you attempt to make windage adjustments or something, but that seems like an acceptable trade off with a relatively short-ranged gun like the sub2000.

also in regards to the fit of any mounts....I've noticed the handguard on my sub does have a very very minor amount of play in it, but you have to really manhandle the thing to detect it...plus its polymer. If this is creating issues with zeroing in optics, I really need to consider just saving up for a Red Lion indexing rail.

please let us know how it works out...I will be purchasing my optic setup fairly soon and was going to use the same MI offset etc.

Thanks
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I haven't had a chance to take it back out, but when I do am going to try and sight it in with the RDS located at the 12:00 position. I have drawn a reference line on the mount that when vertical should locate the RDS at 12:00 in relation to the bore, or as close as I can get it by eye. I'm hoping that should help. If I still experience POI shifts, I will look closer at the sight and connections for possible flaws. I will update the KTOG thread as I learn more.
 
For several years I have owned and used a PK-AS sight seen here with my AK-pattern rifle. There are several challenges associated with it, and one is that the mount is offset from the bore.

One thing to consider is that the PK-AS is mounted on the left side and is designed to be used with both eyes open, left eye dominant, right handed use. You may consider changing your optic to the left side so that instead of canting your rifle, the rifle can be held upright with the optic aligning to your left eye.

You will face an additional challenge in that, because the optic will be canted, you effectively need to (with copious use of ammunition I imagine) zero it once and leave it there. You can play with the ballistics charts to find an appropriate range to zero it.

That said, if the rifle isn't accurate at 25 yards, this points to either a failure of the optic, rifle, or how it is mounted. Are you more accurate with the iron sights?
 
Updated Review

Artofgolf said:
The reviews are good with the Nutnfancy testing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0yS68BzLz0

Published on Oct 4, 2015
The 2nd Gen Sub 2000 is now 50% more awesome. Not that Gen 1 Sub 2000 was broke. They are still superb: accurate, reliable, fun, compact, and super light. The Gen 2 inherits all that and makes improvements as suggested by many end users including TNP crew. Here you will see it in action in several outings in the Project and we once again love the design.
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They have posted additional information of some defects that came about after the initial testing session:

Published on Oct 4, 2015
****UPDATE: FURTHER TESTING HAS REVEALED A SERIOUS DESIGN ISSUE WITH THE KELTEC SUB 2000 2GEN: Front sight block comes off in extended shooting, not "keyed" to barrel causing huge zero shifts. Also as discussed here in the video, spring loaded front sight is inconsistent and its windage wanders. Whole front sight needs redesign and extended testing by company prior to sale. Front rail will also loosen and shifts negating the red dot option. In our initial testing these developments were not revealed. The gun itself is still excellent and the information presented here is mostly correct. But I am obligated to pass on this latest information.

Nutnfancy Likability Scale: NOT RECOMMENDED IN CURRENT FORM. Gun is totally reliable and fun to shoot but suffers from bad sighting design and has an unstable rail. Buy a KelTec Sub 2000 Gen 1; they are excellent and have none of these problems.
 
Junk guns are going to junk. It'd be nice if all the people who were sold defective guns could get their money back, but I'm not holding my breath. Given that it's Kel-Tec I'd bet on no recall, and only repairs with the same defective parts that caused the problem in the first place.
 
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