LA City Council Passes Bill Banning Possession Of Mags Over 10 Rounds
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loose noose
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No Mope540, the truth be known is that the vast majority of informed voters prefer to stay home rather than go to the polls and vote like responsible citizens. This is due to a number of things, primarily the judges in that state over turning the peoples choices, as being unconstitutional.
So, um, how exactly are they planning to "enforce" such a law? Door to door searches? Catch you with it at the range? Have your neighbors spy on you?
I suspect it'll be a repeat of the low magazine registration numbers in NY and Connecticut, and people will just keep them and accept the misdemeanor on the off chance they are caught with it.
They know all too well it won't do a darn thing to stop gangs and crooks from shooting people, but it'll win them votes from mindless sheeple.
I suspect it'll be a repeat of the low magazine registration numbers in NY and Connecticut, and people will just keep them and accept the misdemeanor on the off chance they are caught with it.
They know all too well it won't do a darn thing to stop gangs and crooks from shooting people, but it'll win them votes from mindless sheeple.
Deog
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I lost all mine in a boating accident in the pacific.
ljnowell
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saltydog
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I personally think Politicians are smarter than most people give them credit. The majority of STUPID is in America.
DaisyCutter
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We need to ban high capacity food stamp cards, because they make the people on welfare too fat. They're dying man!
Devonai
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Speaking as a Connecticut resident, I'm not worried about being caught with an unregistered mag, but that if I use one in a defensive shooting. I don't need anything that the prosecutor can use to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the shoot. I've read some stories here on THR about how any perceived malfeasance can be used to destroy a claim of self defense. In this political climate, carrying an unregistered mag with more than ten rounds would probably result in the claim that I was "looking for trouble" or "armed to the teeth" or some other postulation by the prosecutor.
I ofter ask myself how can the people of commie-fornia be that stupid to elect no nothing nit wits like these? Is common sense prohibited there or is it something in the air or water? Perhaps it is the influence of the hollywood morons that get paid for acting fools.
cheygriz
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If only American citizens with picture ID were allowed to vote, things like this would not happen.
Lycidas Janwor
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Well, you can't fix stupid.
Yet again, remember that there are folks -- like myself -- who live in California at the orders of Uncle Sam and don't have a choice in the matter.
People who haven't spent much time in Cali would probably be surprised to know that there is a very active and widespread firearms/shooting community in Cali. In fact, there are more gun stores and shooting ranges in Northern California where I live (Sacramento area) than at where I used to live in Oklahoma, Texas, and Georgia.
It is the tyranny of the urbans in LA and SF who have cultivated the state's oppressive firearms laws. There are a lot of active firearms owners and strong RKBA proponents who lived there before the laws started rolling in in '89 and ever since then. To say you have "no sympathy" for someone whose home state was essentially taken over and changed is completely asinine.
This one is bound to be killed in the courts. I'll use myself as the example.
I live in L.A. County. The houses across the street are in the L.A. City. So, according to this law, if I walk across the street, step up on the parkway to put a thirty round magazine into passenger side my jeep, I am now a felon.
Just as San Francisco's ban on handguns went down because it's an area of law reserved for the state, this one will also die.
Please remember, elections are coming. This is nothing but fluff legislation to grab a headline or three.
Text of my facebook posting on the local councilman's page.
Interesting new and worthless law. The state already bans 10 round magazines. But, I don't care, because I don't live in L.A. City. I live in L.A. County. But here's the rub. Anyone legally possessing a higher capacity magazine can't enter the city without committing a crime. Does this cover the freeways that pass through the city? Now my particular case is very interesting. If I walk across the street and step up on the sidewalk to put the state legal magazine into the passenger side of my vehicle, I have now committed a crime. Seriously, did anyone think about this legislation, or was it simply a knee jerk reaction that will only succeed in costing the city a small fortune in legal fees when they are taken to court
I live in L.A. County. The houses across the street are in the L.A. City. So, according to this law, if I walk across the street, step up on the parkway to put a thirty round magazine into passenger side my jeep, I am now a felon.
Just as San Francisco's ban on handguns went down because it's an area of law reserved for the state, this one will also die.
Please remember, elections are coming. This is nothing but fluff legislation to grab a headline or three.
Text of my facebook posting on the local councilman's page.
Interesting new and worthless law. The state already bans 10 round magazines. But, I don't care, because I don't live in L.A. City. I live in L.A. County. But here's the rub. Anyone legally possessing a higher capacity magazine can't enter the city without committing a crime. Does this cover the freeways that pass through the city? Now my particular case is very interesting. If I walk across the street and step up on the sidewalk to put the state legal magazine into the passenger side of my vehicle, I have now committed a crime. Seriously, did anyone think about this legislation, or was it simply a knee jerk reaction that will only succeed in costing the city a small fortune in legal fees when they are taken to court
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danez71
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As I read through this thread, the ignorance & selfishness in our own community becomes more and more apparent.
People will denounce Bill Rugers comment of 'no law abiding man needs more 10 rounds' when it applies to them but are quick to start childish name calling and be content with the attitude of Better Ye than Me.
And then my faith starts to be restored with thoughtful posts like:
(BTW, thanks for the service)
And....
And unfortunately only a few other similar ones.
Some people actually donate to CA pro 2A organizations even though they live outside CA.
Probably because they still belive in United We Stand, Divided We Fall.
People will denounce Bill Rugers comment of 'no law abiding man needs more 10 rounds' when it applies to them but are quick to start childish name calling and be content with the attitude of Better Ye than Me.
And then my faith starts to be restored with thoughtful posts like:
(BTW, thanks for the service)
And....
And unfortunately only a few other similar ones.
Some people actually donate to CA pro 2A organizations even though they live outside CA.
Probably because they still belive in United We Stand, Divided We Fall.
Librarian
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No.
That's one of the 'neat features' of the ordinance. (Also illegal in San Francisco and Sunnyvale - please be careful and circumspect.)
For the non-CA residents, here's the deal with magazines in CA:
1 - in 1999, the state passed SB 23, which gave us both 'by feature assault weapons' and the large-capacity magazine ban. A 'large-capacity magazine' is defined in Penal Code as one that holds 11 or more rounds. (Folks are free to argue that 'using the terms of the enemy' is bad politics, and I'll even agree with you - but in a legal discussion, using anything but the terms defined in law is inaccurate and confusing.)
2 - Possession, ownership and use were not (and still are not) criminal acts, for those magazines possessed in-state in 1999 and earlier. Transfer from a person was defined as a criminal act, as well as manufacture and importing. Recently the PC was amended to include 'receiving' a large-capacity magazine as another criminal act.
LEO are exempt, and there were a few other exemptions; a LEO who obtained large-capacity mags while employed, and then retired or changed to a non-sworn/non-LEO could keep the mags.
3 - For a long while, repairing those pre-2000 magazines was legal, and one could purchase parts kits. But in 2013, the legislature passed AB 48; effective in 2014, it became illegal to import or sell or buy a 'large capacity magazine conversion kit'. No one quite knows what those are, and there is not yet any case law or even, AFAIK, a solid legal opinion on the point. Again, repair kits and other collections of magazine parts possessed in 2013 and earlier were unaffected. Assembling such parts kits is thought to be 'manufacturing'.
4 - In November, 2013, San Francisco thought it would be fun to ban large-capacity magazines, effective April 7, 2014. See the NRA article; lawsuit, SFVPOA v San Francisco.
The city of Sunnyvale also banned large-capacity magazines: lawsuit, Fyock v Sunnyvale
5 - Now, seeing the courts foolishly allowing other cities their bad law, Los Angeles has joined the fun. Just for completeness, here's the ordinance text: http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2013/13-0068_rpt_atty_06-26-14.pdf (That one may be slightly amended, that's the proposed, pre-vote version. Be sure to skip directly to page 7 in that PDF.)
6 - State pre-emption is very narrow, and simply will not help here; see the wiki article -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/State_Preemption_of_Some_Gun_Regulation
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22-rimfire
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Now the flaming libs can sleep at night knowing that everyone inside the city limits will be getting rid of their magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
They would have to search my home and confiscate before I would get rid of a single magazine if I lived there. In fact, I would buy more. In stead of having a few, I would have many.
They would have to search my home and confiscate before I would get rid of a single magazine if I lived there. In fact, I would buy more. In stead of having a few, I would have many.
MagnunJoe
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A sign of the times. Expect more and more of this crap in the future, Specially when queen Hillary has her coronation and appoints over 100 federal judges and 4 supreme court clowns in her 8 years of rule.
Deog
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Screw all of you who generalize and say us Californians are in comi fornia and all the get what you deserve crap. The liberal climate rules this state and is Los Angeles and the Bay Area, the rest of the state is a different climate. There are more gun owners in the state of California than any other state. Sick and tired of hearing all this crap from dill holes that probably have never even been to California. Funny that mods here are quick to shut down threads and delete material, yet sit back and do not say a single thing about all the negative crap said about my California. Out of line, and I am tired of it. Don't like my message, I don't give a %#}~.
ljnowell
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I live in IL. I've heard all the same crap about my state. Nevermind the fact that outside if Chicago we are a conservative state made up of gun owners.
Aragon
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There's not a state in the union that's sans "pandering politicians."
Los Angeles is not called "LA-LA Land" -- except by the envious and the stultified...
Aragon
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Shuush!
The ignorant get their geography lessons from watching and re-watching their VHS collections of "COPS." They believe all of Illinois is Chicago, all of New York is New York City and all of California is the City of Los Angeles...
Aragon
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Keep in mind there are two things driving what you are describing -- ignorance and envy.
The ignorance part is axiomatic.
The envious part comes from people living in God-forsaken parts of the US (or the world) with envy for those living in nice places and for the nice places themselves.
You won't hear too many people living in say Hawaii or Vermont attacking California. They likely love where they live -- every day is like paradise in many ways even if gun ownership is made difficult (not in Vermont of course.)
On the other hand someone living in say Iowa, Texas or Indiana will likely spew more than a little bitterness about California if asked about it -- a state most such people have never visited of course.
You just need to learn to laugh at such people -- either silently or in their faces...
Aragon
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I'm not sure that's the case. There is a federal "pass-through" law that preempts this I believe. I wouldn't want to have "illegal" mags sitting on the dash of my truck, but if you were transporting them securely (truck, inside a case, etc.) this silly law would never stand up in court.
Aragon
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Poppycock. The fact that you concluded that says a great deal negative about you.
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