CDC Says Gun Deaths Up Slightly

[Speedo66]

The Center for Disease Control said the figures 2016 show a slight increase over 2015, which was also up slightly. The figures are 12 deaths per 100K vs. 11 per 100K in 2015. Totals were about 33K per year.

Some comparisons:

"The data released on Friday did single out other causes of death in the United States that were higher than the firearm-related rate. The drug overdose rate, for example, was almost 20 deaths per 100,000 last year, up from 16.3 in 2015.
The death rate for diabetes was about 25 per 100,000 people; cancer was 185 per l00,000, and heart disease about 196 deaths per 100,000 people."

Their data also shows that about 2/3 were suicides, meaning they probably would have found another method to kill themselves if guns weren't available.

Their figures also show mass shootings only account for about 2% of gun deaths, but they command an outsize media response.

Here's the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html?module=WatchingPortal&region=c-column-middle-span-region&pgType=Homepage&action=click&mediaId=thumb_square&state=standard&contentPlacement=2&version=internal&contentCollection=www.nytimes.com&contentId=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html&eventName=Watching-article-click&_r=0

 

[Sunray]

They trying to equate the use of firearms to diseases like diabetes and heart attacks? Oh, it's the NY Times. Figures.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Their data also shows that about 2/3 were suicides, meaning they probably would have found another method to kill themselves if guns weren't available.

Virtually all psychiatrists who have studied suicide agree the overwhelming cause is clinical depression (which is treatable.)

The anti-gunners who lump suicides in with homicides would have us believe that a man who was so depressed he wanted to stick a gun in his mouth and pull the trigger would be magically cured if he couldn't get a gun.

 

[CraigC]

Why are we paying them to compile firearms-related statistics???

 

[ontarget]

They compile firearms stats because when the left finally takes over your healthcare completely they can use those stats to implement gun control without congress. It's very simple. Ban them in the name of public health and cost of treatment paid by the .gov for gun shot wounds.
It will happen, don't doubt me on this.

 

[czhen]

For example, some Hospitals catalogue AMS (Altered Mental Status) instead of ETOH (drunkenness), and those report don't got CDC.
Therefore, as any statistic (time, age, situation, accident, etc..) you have pay attention which parameter the writer wants to show.

 

[FL-NC]

How many of those deaths were justifiable by either law enforcement in the course of their official duties, or by citizens in lawful defense of self or others? What about accidents by armed professionals like LE and the military? Or the real kicker no one wants to talk about- scumbag on scumbag violence?

 

[entropy]

The CDC handling statistics about gun deaths is like PETA handling statistics about animal deaths. Highly suspect.

They compile firearms stats because when the left finally takes over your healthcare completely they can use those stats to implement gun control without congress. It's very simple. Ban them in the name of public health and cost of treatment paid by the .gov for gun shot wounds.
It will happen, don't doubt me on this.

Because regulating Schedule II drugs has effectively eliminated misuse and illegal diversion and sales.... Maybe us 'gun addicts' will get a monthly ammo allotment to 'shoot up' with....

 

[Jim NE]

One thing that Bloomberg's group says is that states with high rates of gun ownership have higher rates of suicide, but that is misleading because it's presumptuous about causality. States that have the highest suicide rates are rural, and guns are common in rural states, so it makes sense that it's a common method of suicide in those areas. Nobody says that the presence of rat poison or razor blades in a particular state are the cause of suicide.

In areas with low population densities, many people can have problems with loneliness, and their social circles are much smaller, so if they don't connect with the people in their small community, the sometimes lose hope. Montana, Wyoming, Vermont, Oregon, the Dakotas and some (but not all) other northern rural states with high suicide rates have the added problem of long winter months. Nevada doesn't have winter to speak of, but still has a lot of suicide. Who in gun control says gambling causes suicide?

The real statistical slight of hand is that gun controllers never mention that many countries with far lower rates of gun ownership than the US have much higher rates of suicide. Here are the 25 countries with the worst suicide rates. To my mind, there is no pattern - countries on the list include everything from Zimbabwe to Japan. If you can't come up with an easy and simple cause for the countries of the world, why try to do so with the states in the US?

http://list25.com/25-countries-with-the-highest-suicide-rates-in-the-world/5/

 

[FROGO207]

I was half listening to the radio the other day and they were interviewing the AG of Maine and she said that the reporting of certain types of the deaths had to be recategorized and now gun deaths and suicides were much higher than in the past years here now due to this. IIRC the gist was if you had been shot (for whatever reason) and happened to die within a specific time from something else (like drug overdose) they were required to list a gunshot as a contributing factor or possibly the cause. I will try to find what it was and get a citation or transcript so as not relying on my memory alone. If this is the same in all states here is your increase. Or it is a bad survey with cherry picked results they are using.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Nobody says that the presence of rat poison or razor blades in a particular state are the cause of suicide.

The overwhelming cause of suicide is clinical depression. No one but a fool would claim you can cure clinical depression by eliminating guns.