Lee 6000 press

[9mmepiphany]

Why do you have to install a new primer pin ?

There have been a couple of different versions that have addressed different issues that have cropped up

1. Beveled edge of pin to avoid sticking in empty primer pocket
2. Relieved shaft, which was self cleaning, to address spilled powder

I haven't had either of these issues come up while reloading about 500 .45ACP. My primers have been feeding reliably and I drop powder at Station 3

I thought they would take two different pins like the Loadmaster .

The Pro-6k has been great in this regard in eliminating the need to change pin when switching between SPP and LPP

 

[LiveLife]

ETA: 9mmepiphany posted while I was typing/adding links/pics. Agree with posted info.

I thought they would take two different pins

One pin and one spring

Yes, shellplate held captive by index pin through holes in shellplate and adjustable case retainer hold case base steady to allow priming pin alignment with primer pocket to seat both small/large primers, even foreign Metric primers to not leave indentation mark (Picture shows case retainer pulled away to show primer guide detail) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...r-oal-consistency.911743/page-8#post-12470568

The original primer pin would stick in the up position and lock up the press. New pin is supposed to prevent that.

Not sure how to tell if you need to change them just by looking.

New priming pin on the left with smaller head and cone shaped shaft that is "self-cleaning" even with fine powder dumped in station #2 and won't stick in primer pockets and old straight pin on the right - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-oal-consistency.911743/page-15#post-12482598

If you have the old straight pin, Lee Precision will replace with new "self-cleaning" pin at no charge - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-oal-consistency.911743/page-13#post-12478009

 

[2 Horse]

Just installed the new primer trough with the larger pin, big difference. On the up stroke of the ram, pin almost gets stuck in the grooves and it takes a little more pressure to dislodge it. Shaking it on the verge of violently, bends the whole trough and makes a loud popping noise when it lets loose. Normal or do I have a one off that needs a pin in between the two.

 

[LiveLife]

installed the new primer trough with the larger pin

pin almost gets stuck in the grooves and it takes a little more pressure to dislodge it. Shaking it on the verge of violently, bends the whole trough and makes a loud popping noise when it lets loose. Normal or do I have a one off that needs a pin in between the two.

Pin binding with the groove ring is due to too much contact pressure.

Loosen the top carrier cover and slightly take off some pressure on the pin. Pin should ride the frame column up and down without binding in the groove rings - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-oal-consistency.911743/page-16#post-12495371

"I tested different amount of rotation clockwise/counter-clockwise and found raising the ram enough to allow the pin to enter the lower groove ring and tightening the two flathead screws without applying tension on the pin produced the optimal amount of primer tray shaking."​

• Top carrier cover can be tightened one of two ways:

1. Lowered to bottom with index pin through shellplate hole with priming pin spring applying tension on the top cover - Push down on the top cover and rotate top over to allow primer chute/trough pin to contact the frame column and tighten two flathead screws. If there isn't enough pin contact with frame column/groove rings to effectively shake the primer tray, lower the carrier back down and loosen flathead screws then apply some pressure on the pin by rotating the top cover. Tighten two flathead screws and check for primer tray shaking.
2. Raised enough to release priming pin spring tension and place chute/trough pin inside lower groove ring - Hold together top/bottom carrier covers and place chute/trough pin inside lower groove ring without any rotational tension. Tighten two flathead screws and check for primer tray shaking.

 

[wannabefree]

Today I installed the new redesigned primer pin in my Pro 6000 Christmas Present. The reason I did this is because after my initial set up I was having issues with primers tipping and jamming up the press. I have been following this thread for nearly a month now so I was aware that Lee Precision was providing the upgraded parts for free so I requested them and they were hear in a just a few days after opening a ticket online.
I was a little apprehensive about the whole process based on the video Lee directed me to on the disassembly process which basically tell you to take the entire press apart. So I reached out to LiveLife in a private message . He directed me to some instructions on just removing the case holder and a few other parts but leaving the main press body intact. So I followed the instructions and was able to get it done with only a slight hiccup in that the spring holding the ball shot out and I had to find it. After that I just reassembled everything and it all worked out fine.
I then proceeded to reset up all my dies and run some test rounds of 38sp thru it. So far after about 50 rounds I only had one issue and I think it was me not full stroking a primer at the bottom of the stroke.
So far I think this is going to be a good press after I work out all the kinks and get used to it. I would like to add a bullet feeder in the future but want to see how the new Lee bullet feeder soon to be available works out since its reported to be a lot cheaper than the Mr Bullet mini .

Thanks to LiveLife and everyone else for all the information available here.
Dave

 

[curlysir]

Today I installed the new redesigned primer pin in my Pro 6000 Christmas Present. The reason I did this is because after my initial set up I was having issues with primers tipping and jamming up the press. I have been following this thread for nearly a month now so I was aware that Lee Precision was providing the upgraded parts for free so I requested them and they were hear in a just a few days after opening a ticket online.
I was a little apprehensive about the whole process based on the video Lee directed me to on the disassembly process which basically tell you to take the entire press apart. So I reached out to LiveLife in a private message . He directed me to some instructions on just removing the case holder and a few other parts but leaving the main press body intact. So I followed the instructions and was able to get it done with only a slight hiccup in that the spring holding the ball shot out and I had to find it. After that I just reassembled everything and it all worked out fine.
I then proceeded to reset up all my dies and run some test rounds of 38sp thru it. So far after about 50 rounds I only had one issue and I think it was me not full stroking a primer at the bottom of the stroke.
So far I think this is going to be a good press after I work out all the kinks and get used to it. I would like to add a bullet feeder in the future but want to see how the new Lee bullet feeder soon to be available works out since its reported to be a lot cheaper than the Mr Bullet mini .

Thanks to LiveLife and everyone else for all the information available here.
Dave

I learned the hard way that the the Pro 6000 requires full strokes up and down, once I started making sure that I was FULL stroking the press a lot of my problems went away, The new primer pin helped, and the larger .093" pin on the primer tray appears to have fixed the biggest problem I was having with the press (primers not feeding out of the tray). Right now my press appears to be working properly and the last few sessions I have had with it have been trouble free. I have the Mini Mr. Bulletfeeder and really like it but will try the Lee version when it comes out.

 

[LiveLife]

I would like to add a bullet feeder in the future but want to see how the new Lee bullet feeder soon to be available works out

During my beta testing, the new Lee inline bullet feeder worked surprisingly well (with some adjustments like increased flare amount noted) to drop the bullets to "lock" with inside of case flare to not tip during indexing.

Various plated and jacketed bullet testing - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...6000-beta-testing.913099/page-2#post-12485560

Larger sized lead SWC bullet testing - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...6000-beta-testing.913099/page-3#post-12490960

 

[GW Staar]

During my beta testing, the new Lee inline bullet feeder worked surprisingly well (with some adjustments like increased flare amount noted) to drop the bullets to "lock" with inside of case flare to not tip during indexing.

Various plated and jacketed bullet testing - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...6000-beta-testing.913099/page-2#post-12485560

Larger sized lead SWC bullet testing - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...6000-beta-testing.913099/page-3#post-12490960

So they gave up on making them with the "M" shelf? That's disappointing.....never been impressed with expanders with flares....you have to expand too much, and that is hard on brass, goodbye to longevity.

 

[Gillie Dog]

So they gave up on making them with the "M" shelf? That's disappointing.....never been impressed with expanders with flares....you have to expand too much, and that is hard on brass, goodbye to longevity.

Possibly not.

Not releasing until March for a reason.

GD

 

[LiveLife]

So they gave up on making them with the "M" shelf?

As far as I know, Lee Precision R&D on the stepped "M" style powder through expander is active and last email exchange with Calvin involved technical questions on different features under consideration for testing. I could ask Calvin for an update.

I am pretty sure they have been busy supporting SPP/Pro 6000 kit product launch with updated parts to enhance reliability of press operation while ramping up for another product launch of inline bullet feeder die and rotary magazine for pistol and rifle calibers. (Calvin asked for my input on product documentation/instructions before they finalized draft to send for printing)

 

[LiveLife]

So they gave up on making them with the "M" shelf?

As far as I know, Lee Precision R&D on the stepped "M" style powder through expander is active and last email exchange with Calvin involved technical questions on different features under consideration for testing. I could ask Calvin for an update

Got an email reply back from Calvin on stepped "M" style powder through expander R&D:

Hello John,

We are shipping the first Inline feed dies out now. They are shipping with an aluminum cap and a flyer to contact us for a new cap in March. The nylon cap will be required for compatibility with the Magazine feed.

Continuing to try to get together "M" expanders, seems like there are bigger fires right now unfortunately. I am still spending a little time each day on it but not enough to make serious headway. Hope to make more progress soon!

Calvin Katzfey
Lee Precision​

 

[Gillie Dog]

Updated primer feed spring is out with small loop on one end. Makes sense.
Updated case slider is out tightening it up on the rail, but in my testing it stills drags large cases back after inserting into shell plate because of tipping on rail.

GD

 

[LiveLife]

Updated case slider is out tightening it up on the rail, but in my testing it stills drags large cases back after inserting into shell plate because of tipping on rail.

Could you post some detailed pictures?

 

[Gillie Dog]

Could you post some detailed pictures?

PMed you Live Life.

Need video to show and have no clue how to do it.

GD

 

[9mmepiphany]

in my testing it stills drags large cases back after inserting into shell plate because of tipping on rail.

Really interested in this because I haven't seen it at all while reloading .45ACP.

I don't have any of the upgrades yet. Thought I'd wait and get them all at one time

 

[LiveLife]

case slider ... drags large cases back after inserting into shell plate because of tipping on rail.

PMed you Live Life

Thanks for the PM.

Based on the PM, slider finger is contacting the case when the spring tension is applied causing the slider to "tilt" to the left and this contact is pulling the case back out of shellplate? Do I have this correct?

I do not have 45ACP shellplate but did have a dummy round so I placed the round on the slider rail/platform and "tilted" the slider left and right to see if I could make the slider fingers contact the case. Picture below shows extreme "tilting" of slider with me applying maximum force to the limit of slider tilt on the rail/platform. And as you can see, there is no contact with case to pull it back out.

So if your slider finger is contacting the case, then the slider may be the cause.

 

[Gillie Dog]

So if your slider finger is contacting the case, then the slider may be the cause.

During the last little bit of travel into a shell plate is when it happens when expansion spring is under tension and while still under tension backing out also.

I am/was using new "original" case slider and then the new model "modified" received from Lee and both have the same problem.

It is a known issue at Lee as can be seen by quotes below:
Start of emails:
11/2/22 Stephanie to Gillie Dog

“We are making a modification to the case slider tool to put the case slider closer into the press, parts should be available mid-December”


11/7/22 Jeri to Gillie Dog

“We are tightening up the fitment of the case slider to the rail. The slider, as is now, can slightly rotate on rail, and pull large diameter cases back out of slot, as the case slider returns to the pickup rotation. This tighter fit will prevent this rotation and stop the case from being pulled out of the shellplate.”


12/30/22 Andy to Gillie Dog

“There are .005" raised pads on the retention or lip portion of the slider that make contact with the zinc slide rail. These raised pads tighten up the tolerance and fit to the rail. It may seem perceivable, but they are there and make a difference when loading large diameter cases into the shellplate.”


12/30/22 Gillie Dog to Andy

“ Unfortunately this updated case slider did not cure the drag back issue with 44 mag cases.


Using new Starline brass, a new factory 11L shell plate and the new case slider, cases still get dragged back by the slider. When the slider starts back it tips and the left side of the “loop” on the slider touches the case and drags it back.


I returned to my old modified case slider, ran the same cases again with no drag back.”
End of emails.

Yes, on disassembly of the new and old sliders there are new "raised pads" on the new slider which measure close to .005 thick.

And so I went back to a slider I reworked to match the old sliders which were the large and small from the case feeders before the "Universal" case feeder and am feeding cases without drag back once again. Maybe there will be another shot at it from Lee in the future.

GD

 

[Gillie Dog]

Really interested in this because I haven't seen it at all while reloading .45ACP.I don't have any of the upgrades yet. Thought I'd wait and get them all at one time

I have only done a few 45 ACP with the factory "Universal" feeder slider and had very few drag back. I am assuming it is because of the fact the case is shorter. Just using my modified slider I see no drag back. I am also assuming that the Universal slider is more of an "O" shape in an effort to keep more cases from falling out or tipping over when dropping because the old small and large sliders were the same shape as the current riser, a "U" shape.

GD

 

[GW Staar]

I only have the 9mm and the .223 shell holders.....zero drag back with those in my experience. On the APP I've used .223, .308, .270, 30-06, .45acp, .40s&w, ,9mm, .357mag. and the shuttle never has dragged anything back....so it makes me wonder what the difference is?

If it happened to me with the 6000, the first thing I'd do is burnish the inside surface of the shuttle with fine powdered graphite. I also do that as a matter of standard practice over the top of the shuttle track...both the track and the shuttle.

 

[Gillie Dog]

I only have the 9mm and the .223 shell holders.....zero drag back with those in my experience. On the APP I've used .223, .308, .270, 30-06, .45acp, .40s&w, ,9mm, .357mag. and the shuttle never has dragged anything back....so it makes me wonder what the difference is?

If it happened to me with the 6000, the first thing I'd do is burnish the inside surface of the shuttle with fine powdered graphite. I also do that as a matter of standard practice over the top of the shuttle track...both the track and the shuttle.

Yea, I just made it a "U" shape like the old ones and no problems with any cartridge I run. The riser is still a "U" shape like the old sliders were. No clue why they went to the more "O" shape on the Universal.

GD

 

[curlysir]

Just saw this, New items

https://inlinefabrication.com/products/ergonomic-roller-lever-for-the-lee-six-pack-pro-6000

https://inlinefabrication.com/products/standard-height-roller-lever-lee-six-pack-pro-6000

 

[JerrBear Tactical]

Just saw this, New items

https://inlinefabrication.com/products/ergonomic-roller-lever-for-the-lee-six-pack-pro-6000

https://inlinefabrication.com/products/standard-height-roller-lever-lee-six-pack-pro-6000

I just ordered this new roller handle yesterday

 

[Bartojc]

I just ordered this new roller handle yesterday

If someone could tell us what ways this handle differs from the one for the turret I'd be interested. I know the one for the turret will fit, but at the time I tried it there was not one specifically for the 6000. Nothing to compare it to.

-Jeff

 

[curlysir]

What is going on here? New gold primer pin and it requires a new carrier cover.

From the Lee Site : "February 13, 2023. We made a change to the carrier cover on the Six Pack Pro. If you need to replace the carrier cover, you'll also need to update the primer pin installed inside with a gold primer pin."

https://leeprecision.com/gold-primer-pin-for-six-pack-pro.html

https://leeprecision.com/carrier-cover.html

 

[LiveLife]

New gold primer pin and it requires a new carrier cover.

From the Lee Site : "February 13, 2023. We made a change to the carrier cover on the Six Pack Pro. If you need to replace the carrier cover, you'll also need to update the primer pin installed inside with a gold primer pin."

I wasn't aware of the "Gold" priming pin and new carrier cover.

Email sent to Calvin inquiring about the new pin and cover.