Like the new RCBS Expander dies for the Pro2000

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Peter M. Eick

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I just got done loading 500 rnds of 357 Mag with the new RCBS expander dies in my pro2000. I really like them!

I cleaned them up like the instructions and then pulled out my hornady/rcbs dispenser setup out of station 2. I put the original RCBS unit back in and pulled the RCBS universal dispenser out. Next I setup the new expander die per the instructions and tweaked it around a bit.

Once I got it all setup and into production it worked really well. It gives you that Lyman "M" expander die type expansion so you have the two steps and this makes it really easy to seat lead bullets straight in the case. This was very nice! I had forgotten why I used to like the Lyman dies before I decided a powder check die was better than a nice expander.

I did have to reset my Redding profile crimp die a hair to take out the extra expansion properly. It took about 1/8th of a turn back to get it just the way I wanted the crimp. I try to go for about 8 thousands roll into the bullet crimp groove so when you look at it under good light it is obvious that you have a good roll crimp.

I am using WSPM primers, 14.5 grns of 2400, Starline brass and MBC 158 SWC Action bullets to 1.600. Good overall load and has worked well for me. This is my basic plinker 357 Magnum load with CCI primer normally. I found a few thousand Winchester primers in the pile so I am loading them up to burn the off.

Of my various attempts at expansion, this is the best combination so far. Just for the record:

1) RCBS original dies worked out OK
2) Lyman M dies worked well but no room for a powder check die
3) Hornday expanders do not allow enough control of the flare
4) RCBS dispense die gives too much of a wedge expansion
5) PTX expander dies occasionally clip and crush the brass.

I probably missed one or two experiments in that listbut that is the bulk of them.
 
When I started crimping separately (45ACP), I missed the lockout die. It has never locked up on me, but it is nice having it there watching with me, anyway.

I am very happy with the new RCBS expanders, also.

I was about to investigate the Hornady solution but RCBS announced these in time to stop me. Saved me some $$. :)
 
I figured you'd like it. It took them a long time, but looks like they finally listened to you and me....converting our Uniflows must have been the last straw.:D I wondered if the M dies used the same principle....2 expanders in one tool.
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Now they need to get off their duffs and offer us these two products:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/231522/hornady-quick-change-powder-die
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/959962/hornady-quick-change-powder-through-expander-linkage

The first product makes it a breeze to change calibers
The second one prevents wear to the Powder measure parts.

I didn't want to wait, so I jumbled together something that works pretty good. Not as simple and elegant as the Hornady one, but....at least it only required two beat-into-shape steel parts, and a little hardware:

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I can see how that would really stop the wear and tear on the dispenser parts. I had not thought about that type of a solution. I like your modifications. I will have to think about something similar.

Yes RCBS is 'leading from behind" on the progressive presses. Hornady is leading the improvements. I find that I keep borrowing Hornday and Lyman technology to try and put it into my RCBS. I am glad that RCBS is finally doing it for us.

As to the Lyman M die, yes it does have two steps to the expander. I have one of them for every one of my calibers. I actually have piles of dies and parts I don't use anymore like the M dies. They work great but I have found solutions to the problems they fixed over time. Someday I will have to decide what to do with my "spare parts" collection of stuff.

Take care.
 
I wonder if Lyman, Forster, or Redding will ever do a progressive? Would be interesting, would it not????:)
 
I wonder if Lyman, Forster, or Redding will ever do a progressive? Would be interesting, would it not????

GW Staar, when I was at the 2012 SHOT Show, I spoke with the Redding Reloading people. They advised Redding will NEVER make a progressive press. I told the rep that many reloaders would love for them to make a progressive press that is on par with their other quality products. The rep advised it was not practical for Redding to design one.

Now, I had a problem with the .38/.357 RCBS powder through expander. To get a decent bell for cast boolits, I had to force the cone in so deep, it left a ring in the middle of the case from the initial angled cone. You guys have any ideas.? I took it out and put the belling die back in #2 and the Uniflow in #3, removing my lock-out die.
 
IF I could get the measurements I can make these on the CNC (or change the design a bit).I make my own PTX"s for my LNL, one style for lead(oversized) and one for jacketed bullets, in each caliber I reload.
How much is RCBS selling them for?
 
About 25$ if I remember right.

I have been debating buying a small "hobby" lathe just to do some of the things you describe. I was thinking the same thing that I want one just a "hair" bigger for lead bullets. Also i would round the lower lead in a bit more.
 
Here are some of mine.They could maybe use a little more of a taper on the bottom as said,but so far I haven't crushed any cases,I have felt a couple just so hit and pop over though. I just have to chuck them in the lathe and radious 'em. I drill my hole .015" bigger in the 9mm's and .02 in the 40's on up ,to help ensure no powder bridging.
 

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IF I could get the measurements I can make these on the CNC (or change the design a bit).I make my own PTX"s for my LNL, one style for lead(oversized) and one for jacketed bullets, in each caliber I reload.
How much is RCBS selling them for?

With that capability you could easily make new spring support nuts and make these for RCBS Uniflows that would fit their own spring! :cool:

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That design beats mine for simplicity.
 
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