Looking into a Hi Point

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x-rap im in the same boat as you. To the OP i CANNOT understand weather you really care about your dad or not.

You say you want to buy him a self defense handgun but you're not willing to pay more than $160 for it. As for excuses you said you've already bought 3 a few days ago and some ammo, hmm let me think, how about giving your old man one of your gun? But no, you have to go out and buy the cheapest gun you can think of and make excuses for it?

if you really care about him or his service to his country as a Marine you could at least buy him a $350 Rock Island 1911, but no let's not do that cause $160 hi-point will satisfy an old Marine, yeah......
 
Hi-Points are reliable and cheap. They are not pretty or meant for CC. Like any firearm manufacturer, some problem guns can get passed QC. Put the Hi-Point through its paces and break it in at the range first before using it as a defensive tool (which is really good advice for any firearm). If you have any issues, send it back to Hi-Point and they'll do their damnedest to fix it and throw it a free magazine for your troubles. If you don't have the patience for this, then please do buy another manufacturer's product, and hope that you don't get a problem gun anyways.

I've never gotten any chance to fire the .40 or the .45 pistols, but my C9 has proven itself reliable after the break-in, so long as I avoid steel cased ammo. Test which ever gun you get with your planned defense ammo and practice ammo.

You MIGHT have to adjust the feed lips of the factory magazines and you MIGHT have to polish the feed ramp to get a particular gun to function flawlessly. Then again, you might not. Keep in mind that the heavy slide and light frame can make limp-wristing easier, but practice will cure this.

The CZ-82 and other 9x18 shooters are also good guns for their price, with better fit and finish then the Hi-Points, but with less common ammunition and less parts availability. If you can do your own basic gunsmithing and you don't mind ordering ammo online, then they are a good option. If you want a warranty and wide choices in loadings at your LGS/wallyworld, not so much.

We don't know the Op's or TWT's situation. Why does he want to give his father a Hi-Point and not one of the firearms he has, or buy him a more pricey firearm? Its not really our business if he wont to tell us. I must say, it is nice to see the economy doing so well that anyone that doesn't buy a $300+ handgun is seen as cheap, and that new (to you) guns can be lent/given away so freely.

The phrase "You get what you pay for" (implying more expensive ALWAYS means better) isn't always true, or else the idea of a bargain or value wouldn't exist. And yes, some times you ARE just paying for a name/badge. This is the High-Road guys, let us ALL (yeah, me included) try to act it?
 
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When i was younger my dad and i got a hi-point .45 for just that reason. Being honest it doesn't shoot the best next to the other guns we have but it isn't bad either. I've seen it group better then a RIA 1911 but i don't know how much that says. I guess it depend on what you are going to do with it, i wouldn't use it as a range toy and it is too bulky for carry but it would be good for HD or something to that line. And for me it has always been reliable, I've seen it jam for some others and I'm not sure how they did it. I'd say look at what used gun are around before getting a hi-point, they arn't "bad" but I'd rather have a Sig.
 
White Tiger, if the Hi Point was as bad as some say they'd be long gone. Personally I think the main reason most don't like them is because they're ugly. Yep, they are. But the main purpose you want it for is launching .45ACP bullets and that they'll do. Go to Youtube and search for High Point .45, you'll see lots of them in action and none of them seem to blow up in anyone's hands. If it were me, in your circumstances I'd most likely buy one. If you find you don't like it later it's always sellable even if you take a loss on it. If you find it satisfactory then all is well.
 
exavid - I think their asthetics probably turn some off - but I think the larger issue is the numerous gun shop owners who see it as a profit killer.

And for the guy who said I should get him an RIA 1911 - why? I want him to be able to get some rounds down-range...that's another reason to get him the Hi Point...so, thanks!

...because you must have missed the Marine part of my post...otherwise you'd understand that the first time the RIA jambs - that boat anchor will be heading down-range.

Then I'd have to save another 3 weeks, and he'd end up with the Hi Point anyway....
 
I have shot my friends Hi-point and it didnt blow up in my hand.


The trigger was rough, the asthetics were worse, but it IS a functioning gun.
It is reliable, It is accurate, which is what at a minimum is what you need in a gun.


I would "start" with a 9mm at a minimum.

If you buy a 22, you will always want something more later.

All of the guns below, could be a good CCW choice as well as a gun you could take to the range

Choices:

Kahr CW9 - $369 at Buds

S&W Sigma 9m - low $300's at buds

Ruger SR9C - high 300's low 400's

CZ82 (9X18 mak) - under $200


OR....... go with the hi-point......... the only person that you need to please is YOU
(and your dad)
 
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sinper - that's what I'm looking for - as I mentioned, my dad is a former Marine who has qualified on small arms and rifles - he's had the old steel boat anchor 1911's...so a big ugly, heavy gun doesn't scare him. He just needs a reliable weapon and because I can't afford anything better (and he can't afford anything at all) I'm considering the Hi Point for him.
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I don't know why you wouldn't spend the money instead on a surplus commbloc gun and get something much higher quality. CDNN has cz-82's for the same price as that hi-point right now, and hi-points aren't even in the same league as those guns.
 
...because you must have missed the Marine part of my post...otherwise you'd understand that the first time the RIA jambs - that boat anchor will be heading down-range.
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so you think a RIA will jam but a hi-point won't? lmao.
 
I owned a 380 and the 9. The only problem I ever had was the ten round mags only work properly with 8. It's the only gun I regret getting rid of. I've owned two more expensive Taurus and both were junk that I got rid of. Since I spent more on my sig than someone did one a glock is theirs junk because I spent more.
 
yeah i did catch the "Marine" part in your post, about 6 times from now. I am a Marine myself and i could tell you a Rock island 1911 is alot more quality of a pistol. It is also a 1911 vs a "BLowback action" High Point. You sir is disillusional about how wonderful High Points are and you still havnt answered why you dont just give one of your gun to your old man.

Im done here, no point arguing with someone who's already made up their mind
 
harmon rabb - my dad would get a kick out of a Mak, but he's already said the only one he'd trust is a service/surplus from anywhere other than Russia/China (...he's picky say's "..those commie guns are finicky...").

...and fwiw - I think the point is, if he throws the Hi Point...he's not likely to damage it so badly that he'll need a gunsmith...and even IF he does 2@$320 is still better than 2@$960.

but if you still feel bad for the old Marine - he would love to know your concern translated into $$$ - you can be the first contributor to the "The Old Marine Gun Fund".
 
I'll stick with my Norinco 213 purchased NIB back in early 90's, until I can afford a Glock 19! I do have a 1st gen 9mm Hi point carbine, one fugly rifle that shoots quite well!
JT
 
ahil925 said:
Hi-Points are reliable and cheap. They are not pretty or meant for CC. Like any firearm manufacturer, some problem guns can get passed QC. Put the Hi-Point through its paces and break it in at the range first before using it as a defensive tool (which is really good advice for any firearm). If you have any issues, send it back to Hi-Point and they'll do their damnedest to fix it and throw it a free magazine for your troubles. If you don't have the patience for this, then please do buy another manufacturer's product, and hope that you don't get a problem gun anyways.

I've never gotten any chance to fire the .40 or the .45 pistols, but my C9 has proven itself reliable after the break-in, so long as I avoid steel cased ammo. Test which ever gun you get with your planned defense ammo and practice ammo.

You MIGHT have to adjust the feed lips of the factory magazines and you MIGHT have to polish the feed ramp to get a particular gun to function flawlessly. Then again, you might not. Keep in mind that the heavy slide and light frame can make limp-wristing easier, but practice will cure this.

The CZ-82 and other 9x18 shooters are also good guns for their price, with better fit and finish then the Hi-Points, but with less common ammunition and less parts availability. If you can do your own basic gunsmithing and you don't mind ordering ammo online, then they are a good option. If you want a warranty and wide choices in loadings at your LGS/wallyworld, not so much.

We don't know the Op's or TWT's situation. Why does he want to give his father a Hi-Point and not one of the firearms he has, or buy him a more pricey firearm? Its not really our business if he wont to tell us. I must say, it is nice to see the economy doing so well that anyone that doesn't buy a $300+ handgun is seen as cheap, and that new (to you) guns can be lent/given away so freely.

The phrase "You get what you pay for" (implying more expensive ALWAYS means better) isn't always true, or else the idea of a bargain or value wouldn't exist. And yes, some times you ARE just paying for a name/badge. This is the High-Road guys, let us ALL (yeah, me included) try to act it?
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ahil - Thanks for trying to understand before questioning my motives. One thing many may have missed, is that personal finances ARE a concern (that's what "not wanting to go all "Dave Ramsey" meant from my original post on this subject). I've bought 3 pistols, and ammo - this will make a 4th pistol (and one I wasn't planning on). You also reminded me of a big issue I did not think about when considering a Mak or a CZ - that 9 x 18 Makarov isn't a common round and may be hard to source in the boondocks of the Florida panhandle...

gunaddict - my reply to you is strictly due to the fact you're a Marine. A younger version of my dad would love my Sig P220, but at 77 y/o he no longer wants to contend witha 20lb recoil spring (he never said so, just handed it back to me when I let him try it).

Which does in fact bring up the question regarding slide-pull on the Hi Point, can any of those who have a Hi Point 40 or 45 comment on the difficulty of the Hi Point slide-pull?
 
You shouldn't have to defend your choices for purchase. Someone mentioned a Rossi revolver. Rossi is now owned by Taurus and quality of Taurus is very hit or miss. RIA are great guns also. I'd buy the c9 over any other hi point. It's not a lot bigger than a g26 and ammo is still affordable. One thing to a 1911 is you can buy the 22 conversion kit from kimber. You should visit the hi point forum. There is way more knowledge and less snobbyness on there
 
a Mak or a CZ - that 9 x 18 Makarov isn't a common round and may be hard to source in the boondocks of the Florida panhandle...

I order my 9X18. Delivered to my front door is great.
 
G.barnes said:
You shouldn't have to defend your choices for purchase. Someone mentioned a Rossi revolver. Rossi is now owned by Taurus and quality of Taurus is very hit or miss. RIA are great guns also. I'd buy the c9 over any other hi point. It's not a lot bigger than a g26 and ammo is still affordable. One thing to a 1911 is you can buy the 22 conversion kit from kimber. You should visit the hi point forum. There is way more knowledge and less snobbyness on there
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rvehock -thanks, that's good to know.

G.barnes - thanks, and I have checked out the HiPoint forum - just looking for additional, user-based, non-biased (or at least not overtly biased towards the HP) feedback.

towboat er - yep, that's what I'll do too, I plan on buying him a couple hundred rounds, along with the pistol. He would then pick up the tab for any additional rounds. I'd offer how he could order in bulk, but I doubt he'd do it.
 
You could also NOT buy him a couple hundred rounds, and buy him a few boxes instead. Then you'd have an extra chunk of money to buy a gun that's another step up from a Hi Point
 
Excellent choice since many consider the .45 to be the only one of the line worth a damn, actually has a reputation for decent accuracy and above average reliability. But a .22 is a much better choice for a starter gun. Also this might be the wrong site to ask about Hi Points, your going to get a lot of the "It isn't blued, wood, and overpriced enough" crowd. A Taurus 94 with the 5 inch barrel is a great choice of .22 if you're into revolvers, very good gun for the money. Seconding the 9x18 idea also, ammo is pretty cheap online and the Makarov is known for freakish reliability, and is available with adjustable sights from Baikal.
 
Buy him a quality pistol that he can bet his life on, do whatever you have to to get the money together for it. Save up for a bit if you have to. A Ruger .357 revolver, and good 1911 .45 acp, a Glock 9mm, a Cz 75b is a *great* gun, one of the best money can buy, and it's not even expensive. But get something good, not junk.
 
I'm going to offer up this consideration in choosing a home defense gun, if it's going to be the ONLY home defense gun:

A gun that's on the nightstand isn't going to help you when you answer your door.

A large number of home invasions start by getting the victim to open their front door, whether just acting like stranded motorists to going as far as putting on a delivery/security/police uniform. I don't know exactly what the ratio of these are compared to bump in the night cases, but it seems like I read more reports of the former rather than the latter.

So, I wouldn't go for the Hi Point on grounds of bulk. I think a mid sized auto or a short-barreled revolver would serve better. It may be worth it to take some time to find a police trade in or a military surplus/C&R weapon instead.

As some others have stated, CDNN has the CZ-82 for nearly the same money as a Hi Point. They've got a good reputation for reliability and accuracy and give you 13+1 rounds of a decent caliber. (A step above a .380, which is very adequate itself at home defense ranges.)

Just some food for thought. I have no direct experience with the Hi Point, so no opinion there, other than to point out the size issue.
 
Thanks all, I'm on the hunt for the following - and in order of preference: 1) CZ, 2) a Mak, (both in 9 x 18), or 3) a High Point in either .40 (JCP), or .45 (JHP). I'll check back in as soon as I find something!

...and believe it or not - I appreciate ALL the information!!
 
YES! You came through! Buy a CZ82 off CDNN or J&G sales, that or a Bulgarian Mak from J&G,

i knew i said i would'nt post again but im really glad you're on the Enlightened path lol
 
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