Looks like Open Carry will finally be passed in TX

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While many in TX still oppose unlicensed open carry the Governor said he'd sign the bill finally making unlicensed OC legal. It will be interesting to see if the Anits predict the standard 'Wild West' and 'blood in the streets' rhetoric or if the folks in TX will silently ignore the change as being unimportant.

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Texas embraces handgun 'open-carry': What took 'em so long?
The state of high plains drifters and urban cowboys has long been skeptical about open-carry of handguns, making the Long Star State more like New York than Arizona when it comes to guns out in the open. That’s now changing.
Christian Science Monitor By Patrik Jonsson
7 hours ago
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Despite its reputation as a conservative bulwark, Texas has long acted more like California or New York when it comes to aversion to guns in public. But that’s now changing, as Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has indicated he’ll sign a bill that’ll make Texas the largest US state to allow open carry of handguns in public.

Mr. Abbott’s expected signature will make Texas the 45th state to allow open-carry of handguns in public spaces, a fact that polls suggest is indicative of a deeply-held suspicion of handguns and gun-carriers in the Lone Star Republic.

Yet a years-long push by tea party lawmakers and gun rights advocates has steadily worn down the resistance at the Austin statehouse, yielding to a contentious 96-35 vote on Friday, just a month after the Texas Senate passed a similar open carry bill.

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Indeed, lawmakers in some ways spoke up on behalf of a minority of Texas residents who want to see an increase in open-carry. Only one in three Texans want to see open-carry without a permit, and only 45 percent are okay with open-carry with a permit – which is what the legislature finally adopted. In a recent University of Texas survey, only one in 10 Texans wanted to see open carry without a permit, and 25 percent said no one should carry handguns openly in public.

What’s more, according to a recent Texas Policy Project poll, even a majority of Republicans wanted to see gun laws in Texas unchanged, with 55 percent of tea party respondents saying there was no need to add more gun rights in the state.

To be sure, Texas has always allowed residents to carry long runs, like rifles and shotguns, in the open, a nod to its pioneer past and living ranch legacy.

But residents have been more suspicious about carrying handguns in public, in part owing to the state’s large and dense urban areas – think Houston and Dallas – where police and residents fret that more guns in public will equal more violence and problems for law enforcement.

“It’s going to be difficult for the beat cop to know who should have a gun, who shouldn’t have a gun, and frankly there are people out there who shouldn’t own guns,” Sean Mannix, the police chief of Cedar Park, Tex., and chair of the Texas Association of Police Chiefs, told KXAN TV.

Because of its sheer size, Texas has long been seen as a prize by gun rights advocates, who have had significant successes in expanding the breadth of the Second Amendment even as America becomes increasingly more urban. Since the sun-setting of the assault rifle ban in 2004, states have steadily expanded gun and self defense rights while rebuffing federal attempts at closing gun show loopholes and expanding background checks.

Currently, about 841,000 Texans have concealed handgun licenses, or about 5 percent of eligible residents.

Democrats tried in vain to restrain those numbers with a variety of amendments, including an opt-out provision for larger urban areas. Democrat Rafael Anchia at one point asked a fellow Dallas lawmaker, Eric Johnson, whether there’s a “groundswell” in Dallas demanding open carry.

Mr. Johnson answered no, but added, “I also recognize that there may be districts around the state where there is this outcry.”

While most Democrat amendments failed, the final bill did include a compromise to include concerns from police.

While some lawmakers pushed for so-called constitutional-carry where no license is required, the legislature finally opted to require a special open-carry permit for which owners have to apply.

For gun rights advocates, the victory seemed decisive after years of inaction. Terry Holcomb, Sr., told the Wall Street Journal that the open-carry provision had never even made it out of legislative committees before this year. That it passed suggests “we are seeing historic progress in Texas,” he said.
 
Open carry while needing a permit is not open carry the way it should be. Glad I live in Idaho most days anyhow. Now if we can just pass constitutional carry as the 2A was intended.:)
 
Open carry while needing a permit is not open carry the way it should be.
An elephant can not be eaten in a single bite.

Since 1995, it's been a rare TX legislative session that didn't improve gun rights in one way or another. This is one more step in the process. It's a mistake to look at this law as if it's going to be the final word on the matter.
 
OC is legal here in CO except in Denver and Boulder, but I rarely see anyone doing it. My oldest brother lives in TX, I'm sure he'll be thrilled for this to pass, but I'm also sure he'd continue to CC rather than OC.
 
True JohnKsa, its a good step in the right direction and I am sure some saw tying it to a permit as the only sure fire way to get it passed, I have just never heard of open carry tied to a permit before. It is common enough to see people open carry here maybe 1 per week but, I also choose to CC except for hiking, backpacking.
 
Don't get too excited yet. The bill has to go back to the senate now to see if the amended form is acceptable to them. The Senate is likely to favor the amendment, but this opens the opportunity for scheduling shenanigans to push the bill past the points at which is can be sent to the governor.
 
Democrats tried in vain to restrain those numbers with a variety of amendments, including an opt-out provision for larger urban areas. Democrat Rafael Anchia at one point asked a fellow Dallas lawmaker, Eric Johnson, whether there’s a “groundswell” in Dallas demanding open carry.

Mr. Johnson answered no, but added, “I also recognize that there may be districts around the state where there is this outcry.”

Interesting that they chose to quote that exchange between Anchia and Johnson and not the one between Anchia and Rep. Sheets of Dallas who told him that there was a groundswell of support for open carry in his Dallas district and that Sheets personally wanted to open carry as well.
 
Will be nice for them not to live in an anti gun state. Had open carry around here for as long as I can remember.

Must be hard for them not being first.
 
Wow I didn't realize so many had it.

I'd like to it to be more common. But I think that will be a longer road. Nice thing is you don't hav to worry about legal ramifications about it showing.
 
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Open carry while needing a permit is not open carry the way it should be.

An elephant can not be eaten in a single bite.

Since 1995, it's been a rare TX legislative session that didn't improve gun rights in one way or another. This is one more step in the process. It's a mistake to look at this law as if it's going to be the final word on the matter.
Exactly right. I'm amazed at the number of gun owners who oppose small, incremental improvements on the grounds that we should have full rights restored in one fell swoop.

We lost our rights incrementally, and we must get them back incrementally.
 
Exactly.
I've lived in TX for about 12 years now, and in that time the CHL licensing has become easier, the training requirements have become more relaxed, the renewal requirements have become less restrictive...and now we will get Open Carry.

Will I avail myself of the new right? Probably not, but I am pleased to see the ongoing progress...

Next up: Campus Carry.
 
Please excuse me, as an uninformed yank, but I see open carry laws as a helpful legislation to those who conceal carry, who may accidentally let it show. Granted there will be those who tend to push the boundaries; but I see this as a win, regardless.
 
Please excuse me, as an uninformed yank, but I see open carry laws as a helpful legislation to those who conceal carry, who may accidentally let it show. Granted there will be those who tend to push the boundaries; but I see this as a win, regardless.
I think this is a good point. I belt carry a g23 whenever possible, under an untucked shirt or blazer. It is not uncommon to flash when the wind blows my coat open, or when lifting the shirt to get keys from a pocket. I've not ever been confronted, but this will give a bit more comfort if I get made.
 
Please excuse me, as an uninformed yank, but I see open carry laws as a helpful legislation to those who conceal carry, who may accidentally let it show. Granted there will be those who tend to push the boundaries; but I see this as a win, regardless.

That's my reasoning for wanting it to get passed here in SC too.

Florida already has a law stating that brief and unintentional exposure of a concealed piece isn't breaking the law, but SC doesn't have that clarification.

If open carry was legal, I doubt I'd go 100% open carry, but I might be more inclined to carry "semi-concealed". IE, an OWB holster with a light fishing shirt or something thrown across it.

I typically WON'T carry that way now as the gun almost certainly will be exposed when getting in and out of cars, bending down to pick something up, etc. If open carry was legal though then I wouldn't be as concerned about 100% concealment at all costs.

As it is 99% of the time I pocket carry for this reason.
 
I'm excited for it but I'm also apprehensive. My biggest worry is that 1% element will make us look bad. You know, the blowhard that carries to make everyone think he is a badass?
 
I'm excited for it but I'm also apprehensive. My biggest worry is that 1% element will make us look bad. You know, the blowhard that carries to make everyone think he is a badass?
This falls under the "Blood in The Streets and OK Corral" concerns, it just hasn't happened in the other 80+% of the country that allows "permitless" OC. I know Texas is unique but I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.
Texans like guns so it won't take long for them to get over the fact that folks might really carry one in public.
 
This falls under the "Blood in The Streets and OK Corral" concerns

That's an interesting thing though.

Both sides think they're right when it comes to this. On our side we see a general decline in violent crime in the last few decades and think they're mistaken.

However, from the anti's point of view, media reporting on anything noteworthy has drastically increased in that same timeframe. While shootings as a whole are down, the publicity gained by going out in a "blaze of glory" (or rather infamy) has created a few more high profile events. Psychopaths who feel neglected by society feel that shooting up a bunch a people is a last ditch method for people to finally notice them.

The anti's see mass shootings and police shootings (even when actually unconnected) and they end up thinking that their predictions ARE coming true. To them it IS the wild west and blood's already flowing in the streets.
 
None of which has anything to do with the CC or OC debate.

It certainly does if you plan on debating against anti's.

They see this as one more state falling into chaos. You think they're being proved wrong - most of them are thinking they are being proved right every time something like this passes.
 
With Ill being the last anti permit state and all but a half dozen or so allowing OC of some degree there aren't that many more states in which to debate the issue.
The new debate is whether or not to require permits at all.
Of course there are a number may issue states yet and I see 4 or 5 of those remaining so for years to come but claiming there is much debate in the majority of states over increased crime and restoring gun rights is a stretch and the libs need to find a new boogeyman.
 
Originally Posted by Crowcifier666 View Post
Please excuse me, as an uninformed yank, but I see open carry laws as a helpful legislation to those who conceal carry, who may accidentally let it show. Granted there will be those who tend to push the boundaries; but I see this as a win, regardless.
I have said many times, we need Concealed Carry in case your shirt tail accidentally comes out and covers your gun. We need Open Carry in case your shirt tail rides up and accidentally exposes your gun.
 
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