Looters in New Orleans

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this just makes me sick

After Katrina, Looters Ravage New Orleans
From Associated Press
NEW ORLEANS -- With much of the city flooded by Hurricane Katrina, looters floated garbage cans filled with clothing and jewelry down the street in a dash to grab what they could.

In some cases, looting today took place in full view of police and National Guard troops.

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At a Walgreen's drug store in the French Quarter, people were running out with grocery baskets and coolers full of soft drinks, chips and diapers.

When police finally showed up, a young boy stood in the door screaming, "86! 86!" -- the radio code for police -- and the crowd scattered.

Denise Bollinger, a tourist from Philadelphia, stood outside and snapped pictures in amazement.

"It's downtown Baghdad," the housewife said. "It's insane. I've wanted to come here for 10 years. I thought this was a sophisticated city. I guess not."

Around the corner on Canal Street, the main thoroughfare in the central business district, people sloshed headlong through hip-deep water as looters ripped open the steel gates on the front of several clothing and jewelry stores.

One man, who had about 10 pairs of jeans draped over his left arm, was asked if he was salvaging things from his store.

"No," the man shouted, "that's EVERYBODY'S store."

Looters filled industrial-sized garbage cans with clothing and jewelry and floated them down the street on bits of plywood and insulation as National Guard lumbered by.

Mike Franklin stood on the trolley tracks and watched the spectacle unfold.

"To be honest with you, people who are oppressed all their lives, man, it's an opportunity to get back at society," he said.

A man walked down Canal Street with a pallet of food on his head. His wife, who refused to give her name, insisted they weren't stealing from the nearby Winn-Dixie supermarket. "It's about survival right now," she said as she held a plastic bag full of purloined items. "We got to feed our children. I've got eight grandchildren to feed."

At a drug store on Canal Street just outside the French Quarter, two police officers with pump shotguns stood guard as workers from the Ritz-Carlton Hotel across the street loaded large laundry bins full of medications, snack foods and bottled water.

"This is for the sick," Officer Jeff Jacob said. "We can commandeer whatever we see fit, whatever is necessary to maintain law."

Another office, D.J. Butler, told the crowd standing around that they would be out of the way as soon as they got the necessities.

"I'm not saying you're welcome to it," the officer said. "This is the situation we're in. We have to make the best of it."

The looting was taking place in full view of passing National Guard trucks and police cruisers.

One man with an armload of clothes even asked a policeman, "can I borrow your car?"

Some in the crowd splashed into the waist-deep water like giddy children at the beach.
 
We constantly skate a thin line between our beloved US society we're accustomed to and total and absolute anarchy/barbarism/chaos.

We don't weed out the bad ones on a regular basis and they're waiting for their chance to do evil. And they're raising their children, either passively or actively, to do the same.
 
I agree that it's horribly wrong to steal from people who have already lost everything.

But on the other hand, I've experience flooding, and everything that wasn't moved within hours was destroyed anyway. I have seen something which merely became damp for 24 hours become covered with white mold overnight.

To be honest, most building are probably already wrecked, or will have to be demolished for H&S anyway.

It looks bad, but I really think there's a stopwatch ticking for any salvage to be made. It almost seems like a scorched-Earth policy to insist no-one salvage.
 
Personally, I believe that some people out there will use any excuse they can to justify acting in an immoral way. I'm really tired of hearing the "we've been oppressed" b.s. excuse. I also wouldn't compare a city full of thieves to downtown Baghdad. Having been there and interacted with the citizens there, most of them have enough pride that they would rather starve than steal. You can't sell me the b.s. "urban survival syndrome" excuse that's been used to justify everything from petty theft to murder. Maybe a few are actually stealing to survive, e.g. the grandmother w/the groceries. But what type of survival goods are found in a jewelry store...unless you need some gold teeth to chew with.

I'll probably be flamed but it's rediculous the lenghts that people will go to justify their behaviour. What disgust me more is the fact that the "left" goes out of their way to believe the **** and try to sale it to the rest of society.
 
Wshf

This is a good look at the WSHF. When it comes to survival for you and your family. You are going to do what you are going to do to survive. Do I like this looting NO. Are you prepaired to do without ( what ever) for week or more.
How are you going to protect what you have for your loved ones. How far will any of us go to do that protection. I don't have answers. But I know I can live at home for atleast 2 weeks and need no outside help.
I glad I not there in that mess and I'm sending Red Cross Money today.
Please I'm not criticize any one here or anywhere. I'm just saying the situation is very hard to deal with.

Gordon
 
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It looks bad, but I really think there's a stopwatch ticking for any salvage to be made. It almost seems like a scorched-Earth policy to insist no-one salvage.
Big, HUGE, difference between salvaging and looting. Salvaging implys the rightful owners returning to recover items to prevent their loss due to the damage from the flooding. These people are almost all looters as they are not the rightful owners of the items and are stealing them. In the case of the clothes and food, it probably makes little difference to the store owners since the items would be lost anyway, but does that somehow make it less wrong to steal from them? But the jewlery is hardly subject to ruination by the floodwaters. A couple minutes in a cleaner any they'd be good as new.

Far as I'm concerned, looters can be shot on sight.

Mike Franklin stood on the trolley tracks and watched the spectacle unfold.

"To be honest with you, people who are oppressed all their lives, man, it's an opportunity to get back at society," he said.
This is why so many black folks do not progress to the success of the rest of the country. They have this kind of attitude that somehow "society" is to blame for their lot in life rather than getting off their butt and working to better themselves. Is there racism in the South? I'm sure there is, and I'm sure it does make it harder for those folks to get ahead, but using other people's attitude as an excuse for your own personal failures as a human being will never get you anywhere but in the welfare line.

Edit to add: I know plenty of successful black folks, and none of this post is directed at them. On the other hand I've known some pretty pathetic white folks, and this post could just as easily be directed at them too. It's the attitude, not the skin color that matters.
 
Frankly, if a 9.5 destroyed Anchorage again, the power was out and aid 3,000 miles away I would not hesitate to dig around in the pile of bricks and wood that used to be Carrs/Safeway and get whatever I could, making a note of it to repay them if and when they ever came back. When it really, truly hits the fan you'd better be prepared to do what you need to do to live or you will surely die. Worrying about the ownership rights of some ruined corporate supermarket ain't high on my list in such situations. Private property pretty much means whatever you keep on your back and under the barrel of your gun.
 
I can understand those in the middle of a disaster carting off food stuffs and other living essentials. It's a survival situation. Making off with electronics, jewelry and such dosn't come under the "survival" heading. Perhaps when things sort out they will deal with the looters more harshly.
 
People taking the food in the grocery stores, thats understandable (not ok but understandable) by me. They probably figure they need it to survive. One can only hope they are smart enough to steal the canned goods and that they really need what they are taking.

Too bad the police are not collecting it to dole it out on a systemized basis. Instead they stand around with their thumbs up their asses. If they have more important jobs to do then do it but; many have been seen around looted areas doing nothing. A lot of that comes from the fear to act created by those among us who are anti government and who squeal and whine everytime the G does something we like to call 'Gestapoish'. A little bit, heck a lot, of government intervention right now would do a world of good. As for people taking from jewelry stores, or racks full of clothing, they should be shot on sight.

As for the police doing little to nothing to stop the looting, they should loose their jos and the politicians who control them should be booted out of office. There is, or should have been, no reason for any mass hysteria because they should have been long prepared for this based upon terrible storms of the past and because they had ample warning for this one.

What a shame. I imagie that allone can do besides donate some funds is to pray that no more bad will come of this SHTF situation.

must admit, one thing I learned from all of this is I may have to buy the vacuum food sealer someone else on THR was using to seal up his/her ammo. I have mine in GI ammo cans with good (I hope) seals but those sealed food bags might be a much better idea. So would an inflatable boat, a generator, more MREs, life preservors, flares and falre gun, radios, sealed batteries (in food bags), and whatever.

All the best,
Glenn B
 
Here's something that folks have yet to conisder in this and the other looting thread.

I have seen at least one news story today about people who have fled farther north getting cell phone calls from their electronic security companies.

The reason? The looter scum have broken into their homes and are pillaging, but so many alarms have gone off, and there is so much water in the streets that nothing is being done to stop the looter scum.

Folks, when the SHFTF, it's not just the Wal-Mart that's going to get looted.

Your house is on the scavenger's menu, most certainly.

That's when it really becomes "put up or shut up" time, boys and girls.

hillbilly
 
If anyone finds a link to people "looting" to get what they need to survive, I'd sure like to see it.

If they stuck around in a bad situation when they shouldn't have, they'd be better off trotting over to rescue services and get to a shelter. Get your three day's rations together before you need them.
 
In disasters the rats always come out of their holes!

The government will not be there to protect you; the government will protect itself and only itself; you are on your own, period, end of story.

This footage and message should be used by the NRA in a nationwide campaign. :)
 
Absolutely, there's no excuse for the jewlery store stuff. But I suggest that based on my experience all clothing that gets wet must be destroyed if not cleaned in 24 hours or so.

If I had a jewlery store, and insurance would not cover it, then I would buy either a u-haul, or some hip-waders a thermos of coffee and a shotgun.

IMO the biggest priority ought to be helping the old-age homes, as I doubt any of them are evacuated.

And looters taking potato chips - chips taste good, but aren't they the worst thing to loot? They're bulky, lack nutrition, give heartburn, make you thirsty. Margarine and bottled water!
 
It's absolutely a good argument to augment your own emergency kits. I'd strongly recommend keeping a kit both in your house and in your truck, so in case one is destroyed or impossible to reach the other may still survive. (Obviously some emergency supplies such as gasoline have to stay in the truck)

Here's mine:

Large mil-spec first aid kit. The ones that actually come with sealed surgical tools are a lot more useful than the ones that merely have rubbing pads and band-aids.

At least two mil-spec or higher grade WOOL blankets. The more the better. These are not only fantastic at keeping you warm, they are a natural barrier against fire. I got to discover this first hand when my shack started burning down two winters ago. The polymer sleeping bags went up like matches, but the wool resisted the flames and even helped extinguish them.

Several high quality cotton towels, sealed in bags if possible. There's no end of uses for clean towels, from mopping up blood to covering wounds to drying off.

12 ga. shotgun with short barrel and folding stock for storage and a mix of slugs, buckshot, birdshot and flares in an ammo can.

For storage, ammo cans are fantastic. I torture tested a bunch by leaving them year-round outside in the Alaska bush. All remained water-tight and clean inside.

Canned food rations. These are great because they come with their own water.

5 gallons clean water in a sealed plastic container.

5 gallons gasoline in a metal container with a hinged spring cap (Eagle makes the best)

5 gallons diesel or kerosene in a similar container, different color. This is the world's best fire starter and can fuel an emergency heater.

Small kerosene heater or heater/lamp.

Several headlamps with sealed bttys. And if possible at least one CARBIDE headlamp as it will work no matter how long it's stored and is about ten times tougher than a btty powered headlamp. A pressurized mil spec gasoline lantern or old style kerosene lantern is also good. Brass oil lanterns are OK but don't produce nearly as much light and heat.

Several heavy plastic tarps for making emergency shelters.

Duct tape and electrical tape.

Multiple lighters

A propane tank and tripod stove is also great for melting or boiling water 10 or 15 gals at a time is fantastic.
 
Now some New Orleans police are JOINING the looting

Great ... "can't beat 'em, join em!" attitude from a few police regarding the looting. I hope they have some of them on tape, and will prosecute most vigorously when all this is over ...

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_08.html#075195
(Huge page, search on "even a cop" to get to the article)

Even a cop joins in the looting
Mike Perlstein and Brian Thevenot Staff writers

Law enforcement efforts to contain the emergency left by Katrina slipped into chaos in parts of New Orleans Tuesday with some police officers and firefighters joining looters in picking stores clean. At the Wal-Mart on Tchoupitoulas Street, an initial effort to hand out provisions to stranded citizens quickly disintegrated into mass looting. Authorities at the scene said bedlam erupted after the giveaway was announced over the radio.
While many people carried out food and essential supplies, others cleared out jewelry racks and carted out computers, TVs and appliances on handtrucks. Some officers joined in taking whatever they could, including one New Orleans cop who loaded a shopping cart with a compact computer and a 27-inch flat screen television.
Officers claimed there was nothing they could do to contain the anarchy, saying their radio communications have broken down and they had no direction from commanders. “We don’t have enough cops to stop it,” an officer said. “A mass riot would break out if you tried.” Inside the store, the scene alternated between celebration and frightening bedlam. A shirtless man straddled a broken jewelry case, yelling, “Free samples, free samples over here.” Another man rolled a mechanized pallet, stacked six feet high with cases of vodka and whiskey. Perched atop the stack was a bewildered toddler. Throughout the store and parking lot, looters pushed carts and loaded trucks and vans alongside officers. One man said police directed him to Wal-Mart from Robert’s Grocery, where a similar scene was taking place. A crowd in the electronics section said one officer broke the glass DVD case so people wouldn’t cut themselves.
“The police got all the best stuff. They’re crookeder than us,” one man said. Most officers, though, simply stood by powerless against the tide of law breakers. One veteran officer said, “It’s like this everywhere in the city. This tiny number of cops can’t do anything about this. It’s wide open.” At least one officer tried futilely to control a looter through shame. “When they say take what you need, that doesn’t mean an f-ing TV,” the officer shouted to a looter. “This is a hurricane, not a free-for-all.” Sandra Smith of Baton Rouge walked through the parking lot with a 12-pack of Bud Light under each arm. “I came down here to get my daughters,” she said, “but I can’t find them.”
The scene turned so chaotic at times that entrances were blocked by the press of people and shopping carts and traffic jams sprouted on surrounding streets. Some groups organized themselves into assembly lines to more efficiently cart off goods. Toni Williams, 25, packed her trunk with essential supplies, such as food and water, but said mass looting disgusted and frightened her. “I didn’t feel safe. Some people are going overboard,” she said. Inside the store, one woman was stocking up on make-up. She said she took comfort in watching police load up their own carts. “It must be legal,” she said. “The police are here taking stuff, too.” (Staff writers Doug MacCash and Keith Spera assisted in this story.)
 
“The police got all the best stuff. They’re crookeder than us,” one man said.

Well, this is New Orleans we're talking about here.
 
And here we see that people really are the same, everywhere. I expect that the enticement of free stuff actually is intoxicating.

Have to love this good parent, "Sandra Smith of Baton Rouge walked through the parking lot with a 12-pack of Bud Light under each arm. “I came down here to get my daughters,” she said, “but I can’t find them.”

I think the high-note is that there is little violence! I expect that without the police presence it would be actual anarchy, and many would suddenly find out they should have supported RKBA.
 
Ditto on food and water if I had lost everything in a disaster. Jewelery, appliances, and anything that I'm taking to "benefit" myself only or make a quick buck, I should be shot as a looter.
 
+1
Food, water, diapers. Thats it. That's all that's acceptable, and that's marginally acceptable. Its still stealing, and should be punished after the disaster is over. However, stealing out of benefit (Jewelery, clothing, merchandise) is unacceptable behavior, even if it will be ruined after the flooding subsides. Not acceptable. When the earthquake hits here in Utah, I will shoot looters.
 
i guess you could say the stealing food is ok except for a personal experience.
i went down to hometead 1or 2 days after hurricane andrew tore through there. for those of you who dont know Homestead was just about completly wiped out after andrew. anyways me and my dad went down there to help repair my aunts roof, and the national gaurd were everywere givin out big boxes of the MRE things. my aunt had so many she let me and Pa take some home.
but of course maybe things are different in NO
 
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