LA Governor Orders Troops "Shoot & Kill" Looters If Needed

[MinScout]

I must say, I'm not too impressed with the LA NG troops I just saw on Fox News. Unshaven and out of uniform. (one guy even had a nike cap on). They don't seem to represent "order" to me. They look like an armed rabble.

 

[LaEscopeta]

…telling them to disperse and return to their homes or they will be shot.

?? What does this have to do with New Orleans?

Good point. I’m not sure if Louisiana state law says “return to your homes” or “leave the streets” or what. But if any of this makes it to a court, I’m sure the argument will be the intent of the law is citizens should have followed the mandatory evacuation order and either left the city or gone to the designated shelters (like the swelter dome.) Anyone (looters, rioters, etc) and not obeying the order to leave the city or go to a shelter is liable to be shot, and shot legally, once the riot act is read to them.

The point is I’m pretty sure neither the Governor of Louisiana nor the Mayor of New Orleans has the authority to issue a simple “shoot on sight” order. I’m not saying they didn’t issue such an order (or that other governors/mayors didn’t issue such orders in the past.) I’m just saying such orders are illegal.

Just like it is illegal for anyone but the President to declare martial law.

A few links with more info/examples:

http://partysmart.osu.edu/otherlaws.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_act
http://www.thelawencyclopedia.com/term/martial_law
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002101----000-.html
http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2004/272.html
http://www.may4.org/4.html
http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/voices/200308/0829riot.html

...any intermediate "layer of NG leadership" that attempts to countermand that order is guilty of mutiny and should be dealt with accordingly.

I believe U.S. military law requires officers to disobey any un-lawful order. Enlisted personal are required to obey all orders, weather lawful or not. If I’m wrong on this, I’m sure someone with more knowledge/experience than me will correct me.

 

[simon]

Some of those looters are "children", 19, 20 years old.

Maybe its just me, but I don't consider anyone 19,20years old "children".
They know right from wrong, and if they choose to do wrong they must be made to suffer the consequences.
Asto the 3 above questions;
No
Yes
Depends on the current situation

 

[Sleeping Dog]

but I don't consider anyone 19,20years old "children".

Yeah, well, shoot one and see how quick the media and gun-control folks label them "children", "innocents", and "darling victims". Shot with a bad, bad, gun and then crushed under the tv set they were carrying.

Regards.

 

[dpesec]

MinScout I saw that too, I almost didn't believe it. Since he was in teh background and was talking to the soldier speaking (I didn't get his rank) I wonder if the nike cap guy was some sort of Armored vehicle driver. He might not have had a standard cover. I guessing, i'd like to give these folks the benefit of the doubt, but either way the scum is crawling back into the sewers.

Just saw that clip again, that NG soldier had his MOLIE and the brown undershirt. The rest of the unit was atired properly. Strange.

 

[mrming]

Nothing these thugs have learned in their lives prepares them to go up against 300 battle tested, hardened troops. They will be out thought, out maneuvered, out gunned and out killed. Three hundred is more than enough because history tells us that the disorder will stop when the shooting starts. These animals are thugs taking advantage of an opportunity that is not worth dying for. They are preying on the weak and helpless. They will not stand long against a superior force.


Sure. Thats what Custard thought too, among others.


Lets try this again. NO has a theives guild several thousand strong, and are now sitting as the only avaliable fences for pushing a half billion in untraceable goods. NG is stationed to keep order at the evac points Only. Police are trying to restore order, but are making a mess of it. NO police are as crooked as they come. Many of the people fencing things at this point don't want money, they just want out.

Can you honestly tell me that outnumbered at least one hundred to one, without their usual artillery or airsupport, that an organized group of illegals can't fight a reasonable delaying action? Hell, the mofia did it for us in Italy in WWII. This isn't a new concept, They've got plenty of motivation, namely their share in a half billion. All they have to do is stall long enough to find enough boats and trucks to haul the goods out.

 

[Monkeyleg]

"Thats what Custard thought too, among others."

I think you're referring to General Custer.

If you're referring to General Custard's, that's a great burger stand on South 13th Street in Milwaukee. Great big buttery burgers, and malts made with real custard.

Dang, I'm hungry right now!

 

[joab]

Yeah, well, shoot one and see how quick the media and gun-control folks label them "children", "innocents", and "darling victims". Shot with a bad, bad, gun and then crushed under the tv set they were carrying.

And the continuous loop of the grieving mother
"Oh my Gawd He was a good boy. he just hongry, and them police they shot him like a dawg and put them Nikes and TVs on him to cover up.
And he didn't rape nobody, that 12 year old hussy was given it up to ere body at her church."
Or words to that effect

 

[mrming]

I think you're referring to General Custer.


quite right. I really should cut back from working 14 hour days.

 

[Stauffenberg]

"If you're referring to General Custard's, that's a great burger stand on South 13th Street in Milwaukee. Great big buttery burgers, and malts made with real custard."

HA!

I used to eat there all the time when I was a kid. Thanks for the memories, monkeyleg.

 

[magsnubby]

GUN SHIPS!!!WE NEED GUN SHIPS!!!

 

[Standing Wolf]

Maybe the governor should offer free welfare checks to those who show up, sit down, shut up, and behave themselves.

It's never worked in the past, of course, but...

 

[BlkLtng02]

GUN SHIPS!!!WE NEED GUN SHIPS!!!

Yeah bring in Puff The Magic Dragon!! Why didn't I think of that!! Brilliant!! I don't think that would go over to well on CNN though.

 

[magsnubby]

That would answer the question "Where's the gov'ment? Why ain't they doing somethin"?

 

[Aguila Blanca]

I believe U.S. military law requires officers to disobey any un-lawful order. Enlisted personal are required to obey all orders, weather lawful or not. If I’m wrong on this, I’m sure someone with more knowledge/experience than me will correct me.

I am not certain enough to state outright that you're wrong, but I do believe you are mistaken. I don't think the UCMJ makes any distinction between officers and enlisted personnale -- I believe all members of the military are required to not carry out unlawful orders.

The problem is that, although this is what the UCMJ says, at least when I went through Basic Training in the Vietnam era that's not the way it was being taught. Plus -- especially for an EM -- if you're going to disobey an unlawful order, you'd better make damned certain that it's an unlawful order.