deafsg1
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Hey gang,
This is a partial posting from the archives of The Firing Line, nearly 8 years ago.
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Item: In Fort Collins Colorado, the Million Mom Marchers advertised in the local newspaper a meeting of theirs to take place in a Church featuring a speech given by Tom Mauser, whose son was killed in the Columbine massacre. When gun rights activists, known as the Tyranny Response Team (http://www.trteam.com), showed up to attend the meeting, there was a guard posted at the door who attempted to prevent them from entering the Church. The guard even went to the trouble of calling the police to help him prevent the gun rights activists from attending the meeting. Only problem was when the cops showed up, they did indeed ask the gun rights activists to leave, but admitted that legally they couldn't do anything to stop the TRT from attending the meeting, and had to allow the TRT members to go in. During the meeting, one of the "Mom's", Cherie Trine, approached the TRT members, screaming at them, "We need your names. You have to sign in." One of the TRT members was videotaping and Trine swung her clipboard, smashing it into the video camera, pushing it into the mans eye and causing an injury. About a week later, Trine was cited for third degree assault, a class 1 misdemeanor. Class 1 misdemeanors are punishable by between 6 & 18 months in jail and a fine of $500 - $5,000, according to CO Revised Statutes.
Item: At another MMM meeting, a 10 year old TRT member is handing out free copies of the Constitution of the United States, one of the MMMer's, grabs one from the kid and promptly tears it in half.
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WIH is this? Is MMM a group of blueheads in disguise? It's apparent that she doesn't believe in the US Constitution whatsoever.
More follows...
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Item: In Philadelphia, Independence Mall, in the shadow of the Liberty Bell, during the pre-Republican Convention weekend, a pro-gun rights known as the Second Amendment Sisters (http://www.sas-aim.org) began to set up their display. Including a table of books, pamphlets and other Second Amendment Sisters-related materials. Second Amendment Sisters spokesperson Maria Heil and other SAS members were away for a few moments getting more display materials on the other side of Independence Park. It was that moment the "Million Moms" chose to strike. When Maria returned, the table was completely bare, save for their American flags that had Million Mom March buttons pinned to them. Maria and members of the Independence National Park Police went looking for the materials, finally finding them inside a park garbage can about a block away. Luckily, the garbage can had been lined with a brand new plastic garbage bag and there was no trash in it. The printed materials were completely unsoiled.
Item: At Washington DC, during the famous Million Mom March, many instances are reported of Million Mom Marchers approaching gun rights activists and threatening physical violence and openly cursing in the presence of children. One making the shape of guns with his hand, pointed at his own head, and suggested "You love guns so much, just kill yourselves, go ahead and kill yourselves".
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It's like being gay. If you are afraid of something that is very fundamentally true about you, yet you want to deny it because of shame, the damage to your livelihood, political standing, your ideology, whatever, you will do what you will to keep things where they are, comfortably within control. The truth seems so scary - my point in a gun-control scenario is that they may be entirely frightened by what they see in themselves, especially the Christians. I'm guessing that most branches of Christians know full well from teachings that they see themselves as fallen creatures, that there is good and evil in them. So, gun control may be a means to hide from the fact that all of us are capable of anything if prodded in the right circumstances. There is no way to get away from that. You cannot ever lower your guard, ever. History is full of examples of human failure, from the Burnt City in Iran to ancient Eqypt to the Dark Ages to the World Wars to today. It never ends and repeats itself. I have to commend every pro-gun individual including myself for being able to see that aspect of ourselves and acting accordingly. Consider the following:
The real meaning of enlightenment is to gaze with undimmed eyes
on all darkness - Nikos Kazantzakis 1883-1957, Greek Writer
So, my question is - is it a combination of my observations? I'm just now getting into this after reading the Rifle Country archives going all the way back, ditto for the shotgun and the handloading & reloading lines. I'm just getting back to going through the Legal and Political line over at TFL to educate myself on what has happened in the last 10-15 years since I was out of firearms for about 20 years. My interest is especially in the Smith and Wesson Agreement of 2000 and what happened to it. Currently, I'm in late 2000, but I know from gun shop practices today that least some things didn't go through and that gun manufacturers have protection from frivolous lawsuits.
This is a partial posting from the archives of The Firing Line, nearly 8 years ago.
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Item: In Fort Collins Colorado, the Million Mom Marchers advertised in the local newspaper a meeting of theirs to take place in a Church featuring a speech given by Tom Mauser, whose son was killed in the Columbine massacre. When gun rights activists, known as the Tyranny Response Team (http://www.trteam.com), showed up to attend the meeting, there was a guard posted at the door who attempted to prevent them from entering the Church. The guard even went to the trouble of calling the police to help him prevent the gun rights activists from attending the meeting. Only problem was when the cops showed up, they did indeed ask the gun rights activists to leave, but admitted that legally they couldn't do anything to stop the TRT from attending the meeting, and had to allow the TRT members to go in. During the meeting, one of the "Mom's", Cherie Trine, approached the TRT members, screaming at them, "We need your names. You have to sign in." One of the TRT members was videotaping and Trine swung her clipboard, smashing it into the video camera, pushing it into the mans eye and causing an injury. About a week later, Trine was cited for third degree assault, a class 1 misdemeanor. Class 1 misdemeanors are punishable by between 6 & 18 months in jail and a fine of $500 - $5,000, according to CO Revised Statutes.
Item: At another MMM meeting, a 10 year old TRT member is handing out free copies of the Constitution of the United States, one of the MMMer's, grabs one from the kid and promptly tears it in half.
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WIH is this? Is MMM a group of blueheads in disguise? It's apparent that she doesn't believe in the US Constitution whatsoever.
More follows...
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Item: In Philadelphia, Independence Mall, in the shadow of the Liberty Bell, during the pre-Republican Convention weekend, a pro-gun rights known as the Second Amendment Sisters (http://www.sas-aim.org) began to set up their display. Including a table of books, pamphlets and other Second Amendment Sisters-related materials. Second Amendment Sisters spokesperson Maria Heil and other SAS members were away for a few moments getting more display materials on the other side of Independence Park. It was that moment the "Million Moms" chose to strike. When Maria returned, the table was completely bare, save for their American flags that had Million Mom March buttons pinned to them. Maria and members of the Independence National Park Police went looking for the materials, finally finding them inside a park garbage can about a block away. Luckily, the garbage can had been lined with a brand new plastic garbage bag and there was no trash in it. The printed materials were completely unsoiled.
Item: At Washington DC, during the famous Million Mom March, many instances are reported of Million Mom Marchers approaching gun rights activists and threatening physical violence and openly cursing in the presence of children. One making the shape of guns with his hand, pointed at his own head, and suggested "You love guns so much, just kill yourselves, go ahead and kill yourselves".
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It's like being gay. If you are afraid of something that is very fundamentally true about you, yet you want to deny it because of shame, the damage to your livelihood, political standing, your ideology, whatever, you will do what you will to keep things where they are, comfortably within control. The truth seems so scary - my point in a gun-control scenario is that they may be entirely frightened by what they see in themselves, especially the Christians. I'm guessing that most branches of Christians know full well from teachings that they see themselves as fallen creatures, that there is good and evil in them. So, gun control may be a means to hide from the fact that all of us are capable of anything if prodded in the right circumstances. There is no way to get away from that. You cannot ever lower your guard, ever. History is full of examples of human failure, from the Burnt City in Iran to ancient Eqypt to the Dark Ages to the World Wars to today. It never ends and repeats itself. I have to commend every pro-gun individual including myself for being able to see that aspect of ourselves and acting accordingly. Consider the following:
The real meaning of enlightenment is to gaze with undimmed eyes
on all darkness - Nikos Kazantzakis 1883-1957, Greek Writer
So, my question is - is it a combination of my observations? I'm just now getting into this after reading the Rifle Country archives going all the way back, ditto for the shotgun and the handloading & reloading lines. I'm just getting back to going through the Legal and Political line over at TFL to educate myself on what has happened in the last 10-15 years since I was out of firearms for about 20 years. My interest is especially in the Smith and Wesson Agreement of 2000 and what happened to it. Currently, I'm in late 2000, but I know from gun shop practices today that least some things didn't go through and that gun manufacturers have protection from frivolous lawsuits.