Mobil 1 or ATF??

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I have been doing some extensive research on THR (search function is your friend) and the net regarding Mobil 1 motor oil and Mobil 1 ATF as lubes/rust protectants for guns.

Some people say the synthetic motor oil lubes great but offers little or no rust protection for firearms. Along the same lines many say ATF is great for corrosion resistance and lubing.

Does anyone have any evidence of this being true? Or is there anyone on THR that has some expertise in oils and protectants?
 
Some people say the synthetic motor oil lubes great but offers little or no rust protection for firearms.

Poppycock! If that were true there would be rusted out engines full of synthetic oil everywhere.
 
Back in a previous lifetime, I was an Oldsmobile mechanic. At the end of the day, we used to clean our hands with ATF fluid. I would not consider it viscous enough to protect my guns, but I sure do use it for cleaning them (and it works great).
Couple squirts of ATF and a toothbrush, then rinse with WD-40 or some kerosene, finally coat everything (except wood) with CLP Breakfree (blow-off in between with air hose).
A little dab 'o Mobile One would be good for any area you would use oil on. Personally, I spay everything down with CLP Breakfree (wonderful stuff) and then lightly grease the areas that need it (lugs and rails).
 
I will preface this by saying that I sell industrial lubricants for a living.

As a rule, synthetics do not give the corrosion protection that "normal" oils do. Synthetics have most or all of the paraffin removed. Paraffin is the portion of oil leaves deposits. The paraffin is also what holds anti-corrosion additives, so synthetics typically have less corrosion resistance.

The extremely cheap motor oils (lowest grades of Pennzoil, Quaker State) have a lot of paraffin and are very low in detergent/dispersants. Take the valve covers off a car that's had the oil changed at a quick lube, and you'll see the gum, sludge, and varnish build-up at maybe 75,000 miles. I use our best grade semi-synthetic engine oil, run 10,000 between changes, and my engine is clean after 230,000 miles.

There are products specifically designed to protect metal. These are sold to industrial plants to protect stamping dies and parts during storage.

RO hydraulic oils are for Rust and Oxidation. AW's are anti-wear and typically have heat seeking zinc additives. Hydraulic oils are typically price sensitive and relatively poor in terms of additives.

The passages in automatic transmissions are quite small, and the small parts that have to shuttle are very susceptable to interference from deposits. ATF typically has a strong detergent package to counter act this.

Any really good grade of gun oil should give protection under normal circumstances. I use a Rig Rag to wipe my guns after handling. Something like RemOil should be fine. It should be loaded with anti-corrosion additives,
 
ATF is the slickest thing around and the most durable. Despite one screw up after another it still survives.
 
I worked for GM for awhile, general maintenance and diagnosing of problems, small fixes, some large fixes if I could get to them, the joys of paid internship. My boss at the time had a Chevy truck come in, timing problem resulting from a valve keeper or spring, so we thought. They had me tear the heads off. Engine had to have been close to, if not over 100k and I thought I could still see the machining marks when it was put together. No sludge, no deposits, engine looked almost new. Guy bought the truck new, say he bought it it had seen a steady diet of Mobile 1 Synthetic. I've done the same on my car since day one

As far as a gun goes... Yeah if you plug and fill. Oil doesn't stick well, gravity makes it run to the lowest point, hence the shape of the oil pan and where the pump is positioned. I'd much rather just use some gun oil, less fuss and probably cheaper then mobile one anyhow :)
 
First off, No_Brakes23... so true, so very true. Where I work I am always being asked which ATF fluid to buy from people who didn't check their dipsticks or manuals, I always cringe when those three words are spoken :eek:

as far as the orignal question, redneck2 hit it on the head, gun oil is going to be best suited to protecting guns. Hoppes is your friend ;)
 
Its not the oil in and of itself, its the additives.

Synthetic and dinosaur oil have additives that bring them all up to certifed classifications by the petrolium institute.

While synthetic oil won't break down as fast a dino oil, you change your oil cause of the additives that break down over running time which no longer add anti corrosion and other protection to your engine.

Oil over long periods will chemically break down on its own.

Being in the marine industry where we fight rust and corrosion every day I use a product called corrosion X in a red can. It will actually penetrate into the pores of the metal for a long lasting protection. It also is a fantastic lubrication.

A little goes a long way.

It is the only thing I've found that works well after 40 years in the biz.

It was developed by a company in Texas that makes spray foggers for treating the aluminum in aircraft.

In wing areas where you can't get to once assembled, you fog the insides with a coating of this stuff and it works.

They also makes little tubes of gun x and reel x. Same as the red can only non aerosol.
They have a thick spray on for very long term like a cosmoline coating called HD.

This stuff is amazing on wiring, metal and anything you want to prevent rust and corrosion on.

http://www.corrosionx.com/
 
ATF is the slickest thing around and the most durable. Despite one screw up after another it still survives.
Actually, ATF allows a degree of friction (it's designed to), because the clutches in your automatic transmission wouldn't hold if the fluid eliminated friction altogether.

I personally think that a highly viscous motor oil with a heavy-duty additive pack (say, Delvac or another oil designed for diesel use), or even a quality gear oil, would be far superior to ATF as a gun lubricant.

BTW, for the best lubricant-education site on the 'net, visit Bob Is The Oil Guy:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com (lots of educational articles linked from that page)

www.bobistheoilguy.com

BITOG forums (fantastic): http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/ubbthreads.php

They even have a section on firearms lubricants:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB41
 
I switched from clp to mobile 1 for my long guns.

Mobile 1 is cheaper, i always have some around, and does a great job in my opinion.
 
If anyone knows...

Will long term total immersion in automotive oil harm blued or nickeled finishes?

What about synthetic oils or the effects of additives?

For example, would it be harmful to store a blued Colt Python submerged in motor oil for several years? Obviously minus the grips...

Just curious.
 
I've actually used ATF in guns but I have an issue with the stuff burning, it was almost like a fire started inside the gun somewhere.

I currently use Amsoil as my oil and haven't had a problem.
 
The primary function of ATF is to transmit pressure and carry away heat. Lubrication and protection is a secondary function. ATF also has solvent properties that motor oil doesn't have (unless the motor oil is a Group V synthetic like Red Line). I don't trust some gun finishes, and especially wood finishes, to something as aggressive as ATF. Stick with motor oil. Just remember to change it every 3000 rounds. (sorry, couldn't resist :neener: )

In my guns I use a drop of Royal Purple synthetic motor oil for all the areas needing actual lubrication. For general corrosion resistance I use BreakFree, CorrosionX, or Militec.

Brad
 
Interesting topic. I recently stumbled across Grant Cunningham's website (I don't own any revolvers, but I was looking into buying one, and someone recommended the site). He has the following to say about lubricants, including some on ATF.
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http://www.grantcunningham.com/lubricants101.html
Snipped from the article above:

Cut to the chase! What should I use?
Let's start with oil. Most people use oils that are way too heavy; thicker is not better! Use a relatively thin oil with the correct properties, and use it very sparingly - most "oil failures" I've seen have been from too much, rather than too little, oil.

Frankly, in terms of mechanical performance most oils "work"; some are better than others, but everything will make parts move for a while. What really gets most oils is lack of corrosion resistance - in a gun, corrosion is a bad thing! There have been lots of claims, but those people who have actually taken the time to run experiments to test corrosion on steel have found that the products with the greatest hype are often the worst at corrosion resistance. Not surprisingly, plain mineral oils, such as Rem Oil, score at the very bottom of the list.

Ironically, the product that scores at or very near the top of just about everyone's testing is also the most available, and the cheapest. It also has good migration, a good boundary lubrication package, is the right weight (thickness) for general firearms use, doesn't oxidize over long periods of storage, and is compatible with a wide range of metals and plastics. In addition, it is recommended by at least one real degreed firearms engineer! Just what is this miracle elixir??

Dexron-type Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF). That's right, plain ol' ATF. The kind you get at every gas station, auto parts store, and even most convenience stores. Synthetic or regular, either will work just fine. (ATF does have a slight odor to it. If you find that objectionable, a decent alternative that is still readily available is "NyOil." Check your local auto parts store, in the aisle where they keep the miscellaneous lubricants and additives.)
 
I switched from clp to mobile 1 for my long guns.

Mobile 1 is cheaper, i always have some around, and does a great job in my opinion.

Welcome to THR!

Its funny you should say that because I did the exact same switch about 2 weeks ago and have been impressed so far. The CLP really seemed to dry out quick, not so with Mobil 1.
 
Thanks Waywatcher,

I switched to mobile 1 last fall turkey hunting after my auto Beretta jammed in some bad weather with CLP. Since then I have used it in sleet and freezing weather (iowa) for three deer seasons and skeet (~100 rounds a session).

For me it works great and I will continue to use it in all of my guns.
 
Hahaha... I should read more before I assume things. I was wondering what the BATF had to do with the Mobil oil company when I saw that title.
 
So why not mix them 50/50 and get best of both worlds?

ATF + Mobil 1 = Good lube?

Anyone tried this hybrid?
 
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