Most reliable 22 pocket pistol

[Phydeaux642]

5) Cheap is important for another reason, if you must use a gun for selfdefense the police will hold your gun in there property room until they're darn good and ready to give it back. Do you want your expensive firearm sitting in some cop station property room?

I want my firearm to save my life if I find myself in a situation where I need it to do so. Cheap is the least of my concerns. A reliable weapon is what I am after. If I had to, I could always replace a firearm while I am waiting to get it back from the police. I can't do that if I am not breathing because my cheap firearm failed me.

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"Phydeaux, bad dog....no biscuit!"

 

[Vern Humphrey]

My bride and I go thru a 550 bulk pack of .22LR almost every weekend.

We have had a number of rounds take a good primer hit and still fail to fire.

The key to reliability in a .22 rimfire is ammo. And, so far as I know, no rimfire ammo reaches the reliability level of good centerfire ammo.

 

[sm]

Okie,

Being in the business you are in, your training and all you have seen, you are real familiar with: "It does not always work out that way".
Meaning, it does not matter what is "supposed to" happen , or "has happened" , or anything.

Too many variables in life. Folks die from .22 shorts, and they live after sticking a .357 barrel in the mouth and pulling the trigger on a .357 load.



It was great to see The Escort Pic and some others as well. Thanks!

I happen to believe in .22 rim-fire, for a lot of reasons, some are:

-Inexpensive ammunition.
-Less felt recoil
-Introducing new shooters
-Quality Practice to instill concepts and correct basic fundamentals
-Having a .22 rim-fire platform that matches a center-fire platform allows one to do any or all of the previously mentioned.

Folks,
There are those, that just like to have fun and piddle.
Okie does that.

Okie also knows, as I do there are those that have to dress a certain way, be in certain circles and all.

One of the things about the NAA Mini is the Factory Lanyard ring.
I happen to like the 1 1/8 " .22 lr.

Now me and this bunch I hang with includes ladies. Something I/we have done forever and I shared with them, is wearing a NAA on a lanyard.

Lessons shared, the lady is down, for whatever reason she cannot access a bigger gun.
Hands going places they should not and having another tool in the toolbox.
Bad breath distance and putting a 40 gr standard lrn into an eyeball to stop BG from doing what BG is doing.


Maybe a daughter, working in Doctor's/ Medical clinic. Maybe just the "Chart" girl.
Scrubs, running back and forth, going Gopher stuff too and some wacko sneaks into the clinic. Catches her in the restroom, or grabs her and into a empty room, stairwell.

Your wife is in a little black dress with little clutch purse at the Theatre.
She goes to powder her nose.
Some pervert, rapist - whatever is hiding in the restroom, or near.
One of these Escorts, NAA, 2214, TPH, Berettas ...fits in that little purse.
Its "cute" she likes it, she has shot it.
Stop the threat...

Okie knows this.

 

[MCgunner]

North American Arms

 

[Okiecruffler]

I think someone has seen thru part of my plan. I don't advertise quite as much as I used to. And even in my part of the world there are those who question certain fashion assessories. I don't like the thought of a 22 for SD, but 2 in the ticker one in the thinker is nothing to laugh at.

 

[sm]

Okie,

You know how to reach me, and you know how I feel about some things.
You understand the realities of life, and see them everyday, and know my experiences and take on all this.

All I can offer are my experiences and observations, but I am here.

See I was correct from the start, that boy does have a wish list after all.

 

[camper]

I like the NAA minimag with the 1 5/8in barrel as well. Also, just picked up a NAA PUG which is in 22 magnum with 1 inch barrel. Both are great for pocket carry.

 

[GunTech]

The biggest reliability factor with any 22 rimfire is the ammunition. Rimfire cartridges have fairly high rates of failure compared with centerfire. That is the reason some favor the 25 over the 22LR in spite of the higher cost.

I would pick a revolver over an auto for this very reason. If you get a failure to fire, you just pull the trigger again. Barring that, having an auto that allowes you to double action in the event of a misfire is a darn good idea, IMO.

 

[Okiecruffler]

Okay, I have to ask. You people who are having problems with 22 ammo reliabilty, What the hell are you shooting? Between my wife, son and myself with 5 different guns we shoot at least 3,000 rds of 22 LR each month. With the exception of wally world bulk 10 bucks per brick crap, I can't remember the last misfire we've had. Mostly I shoot Aguila of one flavor or another, the wife tends to shoot remington target, or my aguila if I ain't looking and she's out of rems. The son shoots CCI.

 

[GunTech]

I shoot CCI and get 1 or 2 misfires per 500 rounds, which the CCI rep told me is within normal specs. 1% is supposed to be the max failure rate for CCI bulk 22 LR.

 

[sm]

Re: Reliability.

One is supposed to read the friggin' manual of any firearm and this includes the section on Ammunition.

Find out what the gun was designed to shoot, what the firearm was designed to shoot Point of Aim to Point of Impact (POA/POI), with, any WARNINGs of what Not to shoot, and the like.

We speak of shot placement, and how guns are set up for /sights regulated for POA/POI. How the Magazine on a Semi, is part of the firearm, as is Ammunition, therefore all components have to work, to be reliable - which is needed for Shot placement.


Center-fire firearms-
This is what get me.

Folks will spend hard earned dollars, on firearms, some more expensive that others.
Show up at CCW class, training class, competition, out plinking - whatever -and the gun will not run because they are using Inferior Ammunition, to save a few dollars, perhaps even the incorrect ammunition as the WARNING said to not use that ammunition, or they have not tried this ammunition and ...
It is the Mfg's fault of course.

And folks are going to post, .22 lr guns are not worth spit and are not reliable??

Here is my take - again.

Using a Beretta 21A for example. It comes in 22 lr and 25 ACP.

.22 lr is less expensive than 25ACP ammunition.

If a person finds what that .22lr version likes best, in gun and mags, and puts in the time, effort and dedication, to consistently hit a tennis ball on a bad day, a golf ball on a good day...

This is great! That person is one with the gun, it has been checked out with ammo, mags and everything else.
This person can afford a lot more practice, and will therefore shoot this gun more.

25 ACP is going to cost more for ammo, so :
(a) they don't check out everything, not one with the gun, they are not as likely to just go shoot it.

(b) Now lets say a Person does invest the time, money effort with that 25ACP.
Quite an investment, still they did and that 21A in 25ACP is checked out and proven with with loads, mags and the whole bit.

This person has two guns, same platform, just different calibers.
The can continue to do a LOT of quality practice with the .22lr.

It might be a LEO, and one that does /or does not do UC and Dept says NO rimfire for BUGs.
Now it may have changed, still some UC LEOs did not use anything, the Dept issued, as they could not afford to be made using a "Cops's gun".
They were allowed to use say a 21A, just it was not associated like a Colt DS, or Model 36 ...

Back in the day, some used Bertta Minx in .22 short with this mind for Beretta Jetfire which uses 25ACP.

Many fine .22 revolvers were just like the .38spl used by Police Depts.
Just like many today use a .22 conversion kit on 1911s or whatever.

Same reason folks get a bolt action .22 rifle like the center fire bolt action they hunt with.


What good is $2000 centerfire, with all the craftsmanship and all if the person sticks in the cheapest ammo and it does not run?
Same gun and the latest greatest, expensive Ballistic Gel tested ctgs and these ctgs do not run?

Investigate & Verify.

 

[Pancho]

reliability

One thing no one has talked about when it comes to pocket carry is that the pocket is not an ideal atmosphere for guns or ammo. Sweat, pocket lint,change etc. can cause havoc with a more complicated firearm. Once again the super simple stainless NAA fits the bill, plus the off chamber safety notch could not be safer in the pocket.
Also I made reference in an earlier post saying that I'd sooner have a cheap gun impounded by the police. That caused a reply that a price tag should not be put on self defense, I agree, but no one has suggested that the NAA is cheap junk just simple and inexpensive.

 

[scbair]

I have and like a few .22 pistols (Ruger & Bernardelli, to name two). Great sporting arms, but if I were to pick a .22 for serious work, it'd be a revolver, for sure. I have a 4" Taurus and an old 2" High Standard Sentinel (both are 9-shot revolvers), and an NAA mini magnum; I absolutely trust the cycling reliability of all three, even if less than perfectly cleaned & lubed. Even the best rimfire autos are more prone to malfunction, in my experience.

 

[sm]

Pancho wrote:

Also I made reference in an earlier post saying that I'd sooner have a cheap gun impounded by the police. That caused a reply that a price tag should not be put on self defense, I agree, but no one has suggested that the NAA is cheap junk just simple and inexpensive.

Pancho,
Quit using common sense, referring to reality and posting what actually happens in the Real World.

This is teh Intraweb.
Intraweb where everyone has lots of disposable income, custom made guns with the expensive most up to date ammuntion.
They never have to be in any kind of work, or situation, that due to dress, company policy or legal statues prevents them for carrying firearms.

They will never have to drop a gun on pavement, grass, asphalt, by an LEO, nor will they ever have to get onto same ground and extend arms, legs. Never be handcuffed, and never have to wait for officers to straighten out who, is who and what the situation is.

Their guns are exempt from any and all Protocols of any LEO Agency, or Statues of any Governing body no matter how large, or small, that requires Firearms be kept as evidence, and presented at trials, or hearings.

These guns will never be - still IF they were to be held onto for a few minutes, they would be in better condition when handed back, than received.
No scratches, and all cleaned, lubed and in NIB condition instead.

The Deagles are for "bumming" and "running" around in shorts and T shirts or for when these Custom Guns need their 2pm nap, and time to change wonder lube of the day again.

I mean if a 90# Skank can conceal a Deagle in painted on bikini, anyone can...


Pancho, This IS the Intraweb. Get up to speed with what all is going on.

 

[Okiecruffler]

SM, trying to send you a PM, but it says you're turned off.

 

[Pancho]

Good Lord! SM what was I thinking. You're right I am new to this Intraweb thing.

 

[Pancho]

SM, Your earlier Post about proper ammo for any gun brought to mind something in my NAA instructions about not using a certain brand or type of ammo in the NAA. I'm going to have to dig out my instructions.

 

[ThomasT]

The Iver Johnson pt 22 was a grate gun. I deeply regret selling mine. It never had a single malfuntion. At the time i had it i was shooting a lot. Ammo was always fresh.

I bought a Beretta 950 bs from a freind a couple of months ago for $125.00 with a half box of ammo. Its small and hard to shoot but will group very well if you can see the sights. You can also carry it "cocked and Locked" if you want. It scares my nuts when i carry it in my pocket like this.

 

[woad_yurt]

My 2 cents:
An H&R DA 922 holds 9 rounds, is dirt cheap and will always work. However, they aren't the lightest in weight. I have a 7 shot DA revolver made by Iver Johnson/US Revolver Co. that's 90-100 years old and it's very tiny & light. Plus, it always works when you pull the trigger. No jams with revolvers.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

.... but in terms of TRUE, easy concealment (palm-size), the tip of my hat still goes to the .22 NAA revolvers with CCI stingers.

ShunZu,
Even though Stingers are very good rounds might I suggest CCI Velocitor.

Stinger numbers are:
1640 fps
191 ft/lbs of energy
32gr GDHP

Velocitor numbers are:
1435 fps
183 ft/lbs of energy
40gr GLHP
(Even though we all know you won't get these numbers from a short barrel, I'm using them for comparison)

With Velocitors you still get a very high velocity bullet with almost exactly as much energy as the Stingers but you get a heavier projectile. IMO the 40gr bullet is better than the 32gr bullet. Stinger numbers are only superior to Velocitor numbers from the muzzle. From 50 yards out Velocitors have superior energy and velocity retention. (even though the NAA Mini is meant for up close and personal work! LOL)

 

[Okiecruffler]

If you can hit anything at 50 yrds with a mini my hat is off to you. I do know one fella who carries a mini as a BUG loaded with aguila SSS's. He figures that 60gr bullet will give him just almost enough penetration if worse comes to worst.

 

[jdomin]

J frame S&W 34

 

[greenflash107]

I have a older Bersa (644) that has never misfired, and my wife can take it and shoot it like its a match grade rifle. It has been a great (cheap) pistol

 

[brentfoto]

Pmc Not To Be Used With Naa Mini Revolvers

Pancho:
SM, Your earlier Post about proper ammo for any gun brought to mind something in my NAA instructions about not using a certain brand or type of ammo in the NAA. I'm going to have to dig out my instructions.
October

From NAA Owner and Instructional Manual:

"WARNING: Do not use any PMC 22 caliber ammunition (Magnum and/or Long Rifle) in
any model of NAA revolvers which may cause a double-discharge (two rounds
simultaneously discharging, one aligned in the barrel and the other out of the batterycylinder)."

I retrieved the above from the NAA website.

I bought one of these .22LR mini revolvers but can't pick it up until March due to gun laws in my state. This should be a great concealable gun from what I have heard and read.

On another matter, it's imperative that one READ and PRACTICE making the gun 'safe', though. Make sure gun is unloaded while practicing. I am going to practice loading and unloading at least ten to twenty-five times BEFORE using live ammunition.
The Owner's Manual is VERY IMPORTANT-more so, IMHO, than just about any other manual for a firearm.

I should think that if one does not use great caution in loading and making 'safe' there is a GREAT potential for AD's (ND's-whatever). It's difficult to think of a gun where that possibility is not greater, IMHO.

But once hammer is PROPERLY POSITIONED on safety notch, leave it there. Be certain cylinder is stationary. No reason to play with the loaded gun by cocking and uncocking with live ammo-unless, of course, you are at the range or in a defense situation.

READ THE MANUAL.

 

[Okiecruffler]

I had forgotten about this thread after running into my CEO at the range and having a long discussion about what policy and reality were. But for a short amount of time I did have this little critter.

A few trips to the range cured my curiousity and it got traded off for Contender gear.