My first gun show - the good and the bad

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I dont want to sidetrack things but what many consider gangsta type is what i consider my culture. My style does not dictate who I am. My clothes are not the problem.

I generally dont worry about peoples perception of me who i do not have to deal with, but when you are trying to deal with people but its an uncomfortable situation and you are recieved negatively for being who you are, it is discouraging. I want to be able to attend and enjoy the experience of a gun show without being treated and seen as a "gansta" type.

Just because a white person is enters a gun store in fitted jeans and boots with a camo hat and drives a pickup truck, i will not prejudge and dismiss him as a "redneck".

Imagine how you would feel to be regularly unfairly scritinized and looked down upon for dressing how you feel most comfortable.

Im a large young black male. I'm 6'6", 350 pounds. I wear baggy clothes. I do not show my underwear, but My hair is in dredlocks. And yes i have experienced stereotyping more times than i care to recount.

However, while people are looking down at me as a gangster type, In reality I am a good guy, with a dedication to his wife, and extremely educated with a law degree.

I just wanted to comment on a frustrating situation just to hopefully form a level of understanding.
 
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I read somewhat discouraging posts about "gangsta types" from time to time and I feel that people look at me in the same manner.

I think everything is pretty much gray and subject to one's own interpretation based on their life's experience. I would avoid looking like a "gangsta type" whenever possible as it sets you up for those "looks", more police scrutiny, and generally a negative reaction by the gun owning community as a whole.
I say wear what you want. This is the United States, a country founded on individual liberty and freedom. There are no clothing or hairstyle requirements in the Constitution.

If you are an upstanding citizen and not really a "gansta" then wear what you want, go where you will.

Let the bigots (and the apologists for the bigots) just get used to it. :eek:
 
jaaks comment just gave me more reason to stay home lol.

the guy selling was a white guy with heavy beard. i asked if he wanted to see my license and carry permit... he goes i dont care as long as you arent a NxxGxx... i was offended a bit, and i am not the easiest person to offend, and im white as they come. i dont care if he feels that way, but thats not something he should be saying to a random guy he doesnt know.
 
Every gun show I've been to has had at least some Nazi "memorabilia" (as Tom Lehrer said, "it's been a good year for the war buffs"), and some downright offensive stickers, shirts, etc. (Also, a lot of quite possibly offensive stuff that doesn't bother me as much, like t-shirts and stickers that use "redneck" jokingly.)

There's lots of hooey about "free speech" being an acceptable reason, or the source of some kind of obligation, to let the racist dipsticks in as vendors, to which I say, No way, Jose. The organizers are under *no* obligation to allow in vendors they don't want to, and to pretend otherwise on their part is disingenuous.

On the other hand, gun shows are a good place to see and handle more guns than typical gun stores have, and to see similar things on sale from different vendors, and then pick the best price. I've bought just two of my guns at gun shows, but have been happy with the purchases.

timothy
 
I read somewhat discouraging posts about "gangsta types" from time to time and I feel that people look at me in the same manner.

I won't lie to you- the patrons at gun shows are white, disproportionately so.

However, show up dressed in decent looking clothes like most people and you won't have a problem.

Personally, I (and I believe most everyone else) throw the gangstas who come in to fondle the AKs while wearing Soljaboy baggy pants and ridiculous jewelry into the same category, regardless of their skin color... and you better believe there are gangstas at a gun show, black, white, and whatever other color you want.

I say wear what you want. This is the United States, a country founded on individual liberty and freedom. There are no clothing or hairstyle requirements in the Constitution.

It's a bit difficult to wrangle a deal or even hold the attention of a vendor when you've been flagged as a gangsta who won't buy anything and might try to steal something.

Is it unfair that you are judged on what clothes you wear? Maybe, I don't really buy into that, because there are certain things that certain people find appropriate. If I go to a funeral, I don't wear jeans and a polo because its what I wear every day. If I'm trying to get a deal from someone, I want to look as presentable as possible.
 
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Free Speech, I don't see the problem with it. You will always have people you don't agree with and the 1st amendment exists to protect unpopular opinions.

I agree with you, but I suspect for different reasons. What does the '88' in your username mean?

EDIT: Oh, and the 1st Amendment exists to curb the government's attempts at censorship. The private sponsors of a gun show can and should censor folks like that. The first amendment doesn't give anyone the right to say anything they want, wherever they want, particularly at privately held functions.
 
By "gansta" I meant someone who dresses like one and acts like a thug. If they pick up a pistol and turn it sideways, that is REALLY it. This type of behavior is seen in all people of all colors these days. I don't have any dislike at all for decent people of ANY color. I'm not that stupid. I don't even hate people who dress in the street thug style. I know that in most cases it is just an affectation. I just think people who go out of their way to look like that are amusing, just like I find the camo clad armchair operators who look like they live on a diet of Big Macs amusing. I am sure some would find me amusing Thats OK with me.

I would like to see more of a variety of people at gun shows. If it is all "Bubbas" it is boring. I would probably be classified as a "Bubba" myself in my jeans and boots and plaid or camo shirt and ever present ball cap. Unfortunately, people do judge by appearance and if you dress a part then people may assume you are really a thug. My advice is that you should try attending a couple of gun shows. Chances are you will encounter a couple of racist morons but you can meet a lot of good people also if you don't dress to look like a thug...
 
Im a large young black male. I'm 6'6", 350 pounds. I wear baggy clothes. I do not show my underwear, but My hair is in dredlocks.

At a gun show, no one will think you're a gang member...they're going to think you're an undercover ATF Agent or a pro football player.
 
I enjoy Gun Shows

As background, I am a fifty-eight year old white guy with an oversized stomach. I generally wear a white shirt and tie (sometimes a bow tie) and hat, as I do not want to be mistaken for a Californian - even though I am legally a resident of California.

I go to gunshows to see some old friends; occasionally pick up primers and bullets; look for deals on grips (I'm one of the "...can't have too many proper grips for either K or N frame S&W revolvers or 1911 pistols..." school); and seek out old guns I want in my collection. New guns don't do much for me.

I don't see too many NAZI tables anymore. From time to time there are WWII German Army items - uniforms and equipment - but little in the way of actual NAZI regalia. I haven't seen any KKK stuff ever, but I'm mostly a West Coast fellow. To counterbalance that, usually there's a John Birch Society table which is conducted quietly and appropriately. Odd; I've never seen a Democrat Party or communist/socialist presence at a gun show. Hmmpf?

Indie, I have to confess I'm not positively impressed by dreadlocks. Not that I think they should be illegal, but I just find them - goofy looking. If we engaged in conversation and you could make sense - as you do from your writing here - I could get over the dreads, but I still don't like them. I would suggest the only way to get over your reluctance is to simply attend gun shows - as the mood takes you - and conduct yourself as a knowledgeble gun owner and enthusiast. In general, gun people are fairly sensible folks who see more than the surface - if there is more to see.

And there are always those of all types and fashions who are simply not going to see anything more than what they want to see. Sometimes, it's the better part of good sense to simply avoid them. For instance, I'm a Baptist Preacher (among other things) and I doubt I'll ever be on Jeremiah Wright's Christmas Card list. But we'll both live.
 
Last gun show I went to, I saw a guy in a tweed sportcoat, short shorts, a dirty tshirt, and black dress shoes with white socks. I would have prefered baggy pants.
 
I enjoy an occasional gun show.

Prices: Sure, you have your overpriced dealers (same ones who are overpriced in their store usually). You have an occasional unscrupulous dealer who figures he'll see more browsers at the show than a couple months in his store who will raise the prices figuring he'll get a sucker or two. However, most vendors I've seen are local dealers who keep prices the same as their stores, and some may have a "gun show special" and discount at least some of their wares.

Variety: I think most people don't have more than 3 or 4 gun stores they regularly frequent. Even when shopping for a particular item, I doubt I shop more than 3 or 4 stores (especially with today's gas prices). At a good gun show there will be dozens of stores represented that I can compare and shop all at once. Because of this, it makes it easy to shop for a good price, or for a hard to find gun.

Idiots: It has been a while since I've seen an obvious Nazi vendor. There are the booths selling war memorabilia, but usually the Nazi Germany stuff is also mixed with US, Japanese, or other European participants memorabilia as well. While I wouldn't buy an actual WWII Nazi piece, it is a legitimate collectors item (it is very different from the reproduction stuff popular with Neo-Nazi types). You can sometimes see an occasional yahoo among the vendors of other items or the customers (I've had some interesting looks with my yarmulke at gun shows). However, you can run into them anywhere.

Overall: I've bought some nice guns at gun shows. I've had some good deals on cleaning supplies and ammo. I've run into a few idiots, but I've also met some great people at gun shows, some of the best in fact.

One vendor had a lot of Nazi and KKK stuff. And the Nazi stuff wasn't authentic memorobilia or collectors items. It was bumper stickers and pins and other cheap junk. Same with the KKK garbage. Not the best face to present to the public. He also had some stickers that were quite derogatory towards "faggots". I wonder why he didn't have any "I hate Ni##ers" stickers with his KKK stuff. Do all the gun shows have a guy like this?Oh well, I better shut up, my Liberal is showing.

This isn't that common anymore. Around here I haven't really seen it since my first couple gun shows.

As for the "I better shut up, my Liberal is showing", you may want to be careful what you say. You are implying that conservatives are OK with that crap, maybe even aligned with it. You are implying that you hate racists because you are liberal (implying that conservatives are racist or at least have no trouble with them). As a Jew who is often the target of bigots, and a pretty strong conservative these days, you are coming really close to being offensive there (only "close" since I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't actually mean anything there).

Just so you know, the KKK and Neo-Nazi types are unpopular with conservatives as well. In addition, they are a frequently complained about aspect of gun shows by even the most ardent gunnies. They are pretty unpopular with most people in the "gun culture" and with conservatives, not just with chardonnay or white zinfandel sipping liberals.
 
You are implying that conservatives are OK with that crap, maybe even aligned with it.

Yet those people, more often than not, would describe themselves as conservative. That's a huge PR problem for non-bigoted mainstream conservatives.
 
but My hair is in dredlocks

I used to have dreads. before that a large green mohawk. i was harrassed/steriotyped too. but as soon as you get their attention and prove you aint some punk kid or gangsta and that you really know your guns they tend to pay more attention to you. thats my experiance at least.
 
jaaks comment just gave me more reason to stay home lol.

sorry dude, wasnt meant that way. there will always be people who will dislike you... ALWAYS. just ignore them. most dont care enough to give you the time of day. if you want a pistol, money is universal... most anyone will take it.

i am in atlanta. i see all different types of people at the shows. i see mexicans who just walk around and look at the airsoft stuff, knowing they cant own a gun. no one sells to them. i see thugs walking around holding stuff sideways, saying yyyeeeaaaaa boyeeee i could blast some fools with that. no one sells to them either. then there is the normal folks(thats you) who just want to own a gun. hell, buy online if you are that uncomfortable. i think its mostly in your head though.
 
Indie, I have served with some of the greatest black men I have ever known. They taught me the way to distinguish between actions and character.
You can have all the cultural characteristics you want, but it doesn't mean didlie s*** if the guy is playing the fool.
I have met some real "N" word types in Africa. They would gut women in the middle of the road to dissolve a marriage. My point is you dont have to act different to be different.
Show respect to earn respect, it goes both ways.
 
Oh the dreaded dredlocks. :) All I have to say is that I've gotten used to them since I work with a number of folks who have them. Looks like a lot of trouble to me speaking from a white straight haired $12 haircut male perspective.

Indie, I think I would like you on my side. We'd get a lont just fine. Oh but I hate those darned baggy pants that folks let ride down real low on any flavor of person.
 
Looks like a lot of trouble to me speaking from a white straight haired $12 haircut male perspective.

im white. i have strait hair. i had to do abit more work because of the strait hair, but i looked good in them. but they are a real pain to take care of. waxing, rolling, melting, ect. it was the reason i ditched them finaly.
 
There's a knife dealer that hits all the shows in the Midwest that used to sport KKK T-shirts at every gun show. The promoters must have clamped down on him because he's now sporting NASCAR.

indie: You're going to find that at many gun shows there's always a few dealers there that treat everyone like fecal material. They may use your race, kiltedclaymore's hair or my absolute ugliness. They're superior to everyone in their minds and it's best to let them just live that dream and you (and your $$) simply pass them by.
 
I usually go to gun shows with very little cash (like $20) and systematically go through row-by-row once. Now I have a lay of the land. Then I go back to look at stuff I'm interested in. Since I'm already interested, I have a pretty good idea about prices. Usually before I go, I look up prices for a few specific items. If I'm serious about a specific gun or accessory, I'll have already researched it pretty thoroughly. Every time I've gone to a show looking for a specific item, I've found a few, compared them, and made an educated choice based on price, quality, etc.

I have never seen the Klan at a gunshow, but I see the guy selling Nazi memorabilia every time, but what everyone ignores is that usually he's selling old American stuff too.
I really like gun shows because its a low-pressure sales environment. When I go to the gun store, I have to take a salesman's time looking at each gun, then when I don't purchase anything (because I like to shop around. I don't spend hundreds of dollars without some research) I feel like I've wasted his time. At the show, I can walk around with relative anonymity, look at a huge selection of guns, compare prices with other dealers without leaving the building, then if I decide to buy, its usually from one of the local shops that set up a table.
 
I agree with you, but I suspect for different reasons. What does the '88' in your username mean?
Does it really matter?

Because if it stands for "Heil Hitler" then you and me have a problem.
 
Nascar sells better than Nazi. You can sell it to a lot more people, and women are part of that a lot more now. Maybe this guy just got hungry being ignored.

Indie, go to the shows. I see plenty of all types at shows like the Tulsa Wannamacher, and when I see men of your description contemplating purchases and enjoying themselves, I think 1) he's one of "us", 2) he could be a vet, 3) who cares, he's got more money to spend than me, darn it.

Keep the dreadlocks, just don't mention you're a lawyer!
 
I had never heard of 88 being heil hitler (h = 8th letter of the alphabet). I've seen '88' grafitti and never knew what it meant. :(

Indie - as previously posted, be yourself. While dreadlocks don't bug me (for many years, a guy on the rugby team i played for had them, a VERY nice guy), I do look sideways as those dressed in 'thug motif'. Sometimes I hear them speak well, but more often than not, it's cursing and rude language.

I'm sure people have given me the stink-eye when I've sometimes gone out not dressed as well as I could be, but after brief interaction, they knew I was not a maggot, scumbag, etc.
 
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