My new Colt

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It IS a nice gun, and if Yugo had just stuck to that I would never have gotten into this thread.

He's been invited to call Brent at the Custom Shop & talk direct, but he for some reason prefers to call everybody BUT Colt, and continues to spread false info.

Nice Colt, enjoy it & leave the bad info out.
Denis
 
It IS a nice gun, and if Yugo had just stuck to that I would never have gotten into this thread.

He's been invited to call Brent at the Custom Shop & talk direct, but he for some reason prefers to call everybody BUT Colt, and continues to spread false info.

Nice Colt, enjoy it & leave the bad info out.
Denis
I agree Dennis, I just hate to see the bickering.

Ron
 
um, guys?
i don't wanna join the argument but i'd like info please.
i'd very much like to buy a new colt SAA.
is there any possibility that i could do that in the next couple of years?

i don't care if i pay extra for the name.
i want a colt.
 
Called Colt a few months ago. No dice . They couldnt supply anything and were not taking orders. Same with their distributors down to the dealer level. You can believe otherwise if you want to be popular on this forum. Calling Colt custom shop now to get put on their two year list IF they are taking orders again isnt really an option for me. It might be for you. They are still available in the secondary market if you are willing to pay extra but given the supply and demand aspect of the market its unlikely you'll find one anywhere close to MSRP from a stocking dealer. The prices are what they are.
 
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Of course you can buy one.
Look around on GB as Yugo did or call the Custom Shop & discuss if you want a custom Peacemaker.
Denis
 
Hi, Denis,

I wonder if you could comment on the following which I have heard from several sources, but no one at Colt seems to want to comment on. Basically, it goes like this:

Single action revolvers have an inherent safety defect in that they can fire if dropped on the hammer or the hammer struck when there is a round under it.

Ruger lost lawsuits on the issue and changed their guns. Colt produced the Cowboy but it was a poor seller, so Colt would prefer not to modify their SAA and destroy the single action "mystique."

As long as SAA's are made by the "custom shop", are in limited production, and are called "custom guns", the purchaser assumes responsibility (a "custom" gun is designed to a customer's specification) and Colt escapes being sued if their silly ads about $20 bills are not heeded and someone is hurt or killed. Also, as limited production "custom" guns, they fly under the anti-gun and "consumer protection" radar.

Any validity or just rumor BS?

Jim
 
I'll say this:

The 1873 Peacemaker design, based on earlier Colt single-action designs dating back to 1836, has the obvious capability of firing if dropped such that it lands on its hammer behind a loaded chamber.

This has been known for well over 100+ years, and it has in fact done so.
It's also reputed to have been fired accidentally while in a holster when a man saddling his horse swung a stirrup that hit the hammer, behind a loaded chamber.

In percussion revolver days, it was recommended not to carry with the hammer resting on a capped chamber; typically either that chamber was left unloaded or the hammer was carried positioned between chambers.

With the advent of the 1873's self-contained cartridge system, the practice of leaving the chamber under the hammer empty was soon adopted, as people began to discover the danger of carry with the hammer's firing pin resting directly on a primer.

Accidents happened, word spread, people adapted accordingly.

This is not folk lore, it's well established safety advice.
Writer Mike Venturino personally saw it happen, when a fully-loaded dropped single-action landed on its hammer & fatally shot its owner, even in supposedly better-informed modern times.

It is, as you note, the reason Ruger adopted their transfer bar in 1973, after losing a multi-million-dollar lawsuit centering around the loaded-chamber issue.

A traveling Colt armorer at a school I attended in 1993 told me Colt's attorneys were pressing hard to have Colt drop the Peacemaker, entirely because of its outdated design with no safety.
Colt kept it on as an iconic symbol of the company's history & tradition, despite their attorneys' repeated warnings.

Re the "home free" "limited production" and "purchaser assumes responsibility" issue, not entirely clear.

As I mentioned above- the bulk of the Peacemakers today are production guns, not special-order pieces.

The theory of customer responsibility would not apply there, to the best of my knowledge.
I seriously doubt it would on a custom-order gun, either, since Colt could still be sued if the owner dropped his gun & shot himself with it by carrying fully loaded.

Colt, in the three owner's manuals that came with my Peacemakers over a period of 15 or so years, dealt obliquely with the issue by including language recommending buyers not shoot the gun, since Colt considered it a collector piece.

How much that could protect the company against suit would be questionable.

I have never heard any Colt employee or rep discuss the legal protection issue any further than that Colt armorer in 1993 who also said (emphasizing AT THE TIME) that the Peacemaker's high price was due to two things- the first was that it was an expensive gun to produce, and the second was that Colt wanted to price it for the collector market who would theoretically not shoot the guns, as opposed to the shooter market, because of the legal department's liability cautions.

I have been told by Colt that with the re-introduction of the Series 70 lockwork in their 1911s a while back, their theory previously had been they couldn't, despite the market's unhappiness with the Series 80 lockwork, revert back since once they'd established the "superior safety factor" of the new design they'd be opening themselves up to liability in again producing a "less safe" version.

Reverting would have been a step backward, safety-wise, leaving them open to increased liability if somebody shot themselves accidentally in such a manner that a claim could be successfully presented in court that the accident could not, or would not, have happened with a Series 80 safety system.

At some point somebody decided that liability inherent to producing a "less safe earlier generation" pistol could be reduced by calling the new Series 70s "replicas" of older Colt models, in which the buyer theoretically accepted at least some of the risk by deliberately choosing the "less safe replica" gun when he or she could have chosen the safer models.
And, the 70 Series was brought back.

I do not speak for Colt in any manner or form in saying any of the above.
I don't know what their current thoughts are directly relating to how they feel they can address a lawsuit arising out of the Peacemaker's antiquated design.

The theory could very well be something along the lines of "We told you not to shoot it in the manual, you should have known the gun could do that, we warned you about it, it's not our fault you blew a hole in your butt or leg by carrying six-up and dropping the gun."

I would not think "limited production" or "custom guns" would transfer any burden of responsibility off Colt's shoulders & onto the consumer.

I'm not even sure the "replica" theory would, entirely, if pressed in court.

Best I can tell you.
Denis
 
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Colt is shipping 200 guns a month, period, end of story. No amount of ranting to the contrary will change that.

Whether or not you're one of those 200 they're shipping to, is an entirely different story. Distributors will have none, that is a given. Colt may have even stopped taking orders, that is a distinct possibility. None of that changes the fact that they ARE making and shipping SAA's.
 
nice ivory

On a sad note: :(
Jim Alaimo, the fellow who used to run Colt's Custom Shop and then branched out to run his own very successful business Nutmeg Sports, has passed away. I'm a happy Nutmeg customer with pre-ban ivory for my 5.5" Peacemaker, and ivory w/ medallions on my prewar 1911.
--Attn Susieqz--
If you have the money and want a gorgeously engraved Colt, these are the folks to deal with. You will end up paying more on GB, so deal directly with Nutmeg and to get an amazing shooting investment. The quality you get is priced right. Good luck! Long live Colt revolvers!!! :D

http://www.nutmegsports.com
 
That's a beautiful Colt SAA the OP bought. Price doesn't matter if they're scarce and it's what you want.

But some dealers do get new production in to sell on occasion, as we can see on Gun Broker. And just last month I ran across this new one at Tombstone Tactical for $1467.40. Posted this thread on the Colt Forum, and a lucky member snapped it up - at less than MSRP:

http://www.coltforum.com/forums/single-action-army/111353-heads-up-saa-p1850-one-stock.html

As noted in my thread, I would've bought it myself - except for having just gotten my credit card bill. lol
Besides, last December I finally traded my brother out of one of his two NIB .357 SAAs that had been sitting in his safe since he bought it new in 1980:

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If you want something bad enough, the price is somewhat immaterial, within reason of course.

I wanted a Colt single action for many years and always passed on buying one because I felt they were over priced. It hit me one day that they were always going to be over priced if I kept thinking the same way.

Four or five years ago I found one NIB in a store for $1100. I had to put it on a credit card to pay for it (something I hate to do), but I bought it on the spot. Now looking at the prices they are going for, I am glad I picked it up when I did.

OP, that is a nice gun and I hope you get to enjoy it for many years to come.
 
Local shop has a late 2nd gen .357 that looks like it dragged through the mud. He wants $2500 for it. Thats the only SAA Ive seen in a shop in 5 years.
 
Armybrat

I would say well worth the wait on that Colt SAA! That's some truly fantastic looking color case hardening on that revolver!
 
If I want a gun then I WANT IT. I don't give a rat's purdell if I pay too much or not.

Yugorpk, I don't know what Colt's status is, or whether or not they are taking orders or shipping or whatever..... That's a beautiful gun! You scored big time. Enjoy....enjoy.....enjoy....
 
Some of the varieties are still reasonable. Sheriff Specials , 7 1/2" guns, buntlines, , and commemoratives ( especially commemoratives ) havent shot up like the 4 3/4" and 5 1/2" have . .357's are cheaper than the big guns . 4 3/4" in 45 colt are the highest price on the current market.
 
I wouldnt have to pay a premium for anything if Colt was still making guns. None , as in zero, of their distributors have them in stock or have any idea if they might be getting them. Its called bankruptcy. That is of course my opinion based on the 30 or so vendors and distributors I actually talked to , none of them having any idea if they might ever see another Colt SAA again through normal channels. Street price these days for a new in box late 3rd gen P series is $1900 to much higher. 6 months ago it was $1600 .357's a little cheaper but not by much. MAYBE Colt will come out of bankruptcy again and start producing SAA's on a normal basis. They seem to be trying to flood the market with 1911's which is a good thing. Maybe they don't start producing SAA's on a regular basis. I'd love to buy nickel 45's at $1400 MSRP but until they normalize operations, hire back the people they laid off and start building guns SAA's again as a regular catalog item I don't see it changing. Maybe none of that happens and they do what USFA did and close up shop. Then their base models start selling for 4X what they did before. I do know that there isnt a dealer within 400 miles of me that has one on the shelf and then its still in the $1900 plus range..

Ivory will always have a market licit or illicit.
If Colt isn't making guns, how come Bud's has 35 different models for sale today?
 
If you want something bad enough, the price is somewhat immaterial, within reason of course.

I wanted a Colt single action for many years and always passed on buying one because I felt they were over priced. It hit me one day that they were always going to be over priced if I kept thinking the same way.

Four or five years ago I found one NIB in a store for $1100. I had to put it on a credit card to pay for it (something I hate to do), but I bought it on the spot. Now looking at the prices they are going for, I am glad I picked it up when I did.

OP, that is a nice gun and I hope you get to enjoy it for many years to come.
Even five years ago that price was a fluke.
 
If Colt isn't making guns, how come Bud's has 35 different models for sale today?
No, They don't. Buds has ZERO Colt SAA's available for sale. Do the words "out of stock " mean anything to you.
 
I'm hearing a 3-4 year wait and thats from the guys who were told a 2 year wait when they ordered theirs. Despite what some people may think bankruptcy does affect a companies shipping schedules. Big problem is that their distributors advertise all their cataloged items when even they know theres a snowballs chance they will get more than 3-5 a year.
 
Colt has come out of bankruptcy and is still in business under the same management they were. Apparently the settlement satisfied the bondholders and suppliers.

However this means nothing so far as SSA production is concerned. What might - or not - be a factor is that the company set up a system of associated dealers that take a certain amount of mixed product in exchange for preferential treatment. This concentrate the limited supply to a few sellers at the expense of others.

If CraigC's 200 per month is correct, it comes to a total 2,400 a year, and that isn't much.
 
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