Myth of the long-gun for home defense

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Okay, now please read all of this before you rip me a new one. Most of us agree that a long gun (shotgun or rifle) outperforms a handgun in almost every way. However, its drawbacks are that it's harder to conceal and harder to manipulate indoors as we walk around corners or traverse stairs, etc. For example, my staircase is the type that has a 180 degree turn. I could not be as tactically safe going down those stairs to investigate a bump in the night with a rifle as with a handgun. For this reason, I believe it's best to have a handgun as primary home defense weapon rather than a long-gun.

Now, say we're awakened by the sound of someone saying, "Okay Ralph, you go on upstairs and clean out the bedroom and kill anybody if he gets in your way." In that case, we'll lock and load and stay put. But the great majority of noises that warrant our investigation are ambiguous. And almost all of them turn out to be harmless. Almost all. So in the real world, when most of us hear a suspicious noise, we don't dial 911 - we go see what the noise is; hopefully with a gun in-hand. If we were to call the police every time we heard a sound, we'd make some enemies pretty fast.

Finally, consider an insistent knock at the door late at night. In our polite society, such a knock will probably be a neighbor in trouble or some family member or church member in crisis. Most of us would not want to confront such a person holding a shotgun because, again, most people are friendlies. But I can answer that knock with a handgun ready at my side, but still hidden from the caller who never has to face that disconcerting sight.

Now, let me say, I do have an AR-15 that I keep by my bedside. But I consider it a backup to my Glock 21.

  • If you know you have an intruder, then hole up with a long gun & call the police.
  • If you hear a sound you can't identify but that alarms you, then go investigate & take along a handgun.

Okay, so go ahead and flame me now.
 
I will say I agree with much of what you are saying, but I cannot ignore the greater use of a shotgun for home defense.. I will say it all depends on the layout of your house and people must make their own judgment based on that. many will say they can answer the door with a long gun handy and nobody will ever know... in fact, it is easy to do... just keep the gun hidden behind the door if you open the door at all..
 
I would imagine in a HD situation that the key is knockdown power. You want the threat to stop, and stop then and there. Honestly, if I was a burglar I would rather face an AR-15 or Glock any day over a 12 gauge. Single shot, pump, semi, double barrel....they are all effective within close quarters and pack a whallop.
 
If you know there's an intruder, you should hole up and call the law. That's always your safest bet. Meeting an intruder may well result in a shoot out. And, that will always result in changing one's life...not necessarilly for the better.
But if one must search their home, I do think a rifle would be the better choice...at least in my home. The homeowner must determine what works best for them in their situation.
Personally, I think a shotgun is a better choice for most people. But in my situation, since I have a pacemaker, I can't handle the recoil of a 12 gage anymore. So, a .223 rifle will do the job.

This is a scenario where one size does not fit all...
 
A lot depends on your location, particularly urban vs. rural.

I have a friend that lives in an isolated area on the U.S./Mexican border. One night he discovered he had unexpected visitors - around 75 of them, with apparently 3 men in charge. He greeted the three at his door, shotgun in hand. Found out later all three were wanted on federal warrants.

Were you to tell him (or many others that live in the border country) that shotguns or rifles are a myth, they'd just smile at you... :uhoh:

If you were lucky. :D
 
I'm not flaming you...I hear something in the house, not sure, I would want the .45 auto, you keep it close to you going around corners, my thought if your jumped with a rifle it could be a wrestling match with the rifle...with a handgun, you have one free hand to fight back with, while manuvering with the handgun....but its never happened yet so I'm no expert....
 
In Old Fuff's friend's case:

I have a friend that lives in an isolated area on the U.S./Mexican border. One night he discovered he had unexpected visitors - around 75 of them, with apparently 3 men in charge. He greeted the three at his door, shotgun in hand. Found out later all three were wanted on federal warrants.

Land mines would be the better choice...
 
Depends on your home layout, what kind of handguns and long guns you own, how proficient you are with handguns vs. shotguns or rifles, how much you would realistically have to move in a crisis (i.e., is it just you and your spouse/companion, or do you have kids at the other end of the house), your home's lighting setup, whether or not you have to open any interior doors while moving with a weapon, whether you have a light on the long gun or night sights on the handgun, etc.

In short, there is no one correct answer to the "handgun, shotgun, or carbine for HD" question. It depends on you and your own situation.
 
I think about the P90 and similar weapons that equal my 870's total length included the 18" barrel. Short enough to get around the home in no light without hitting anything.

Hopefully depending on situation it's just a wildlife trying to get into attic.

Tree branches that fall during wind and rain late at night really rev the old heart. I literally fall out of bed pulling something before I awake. In a few years there will be NO more trees within range of my dwelling.
 
I completely agree with the OP, pistol in the night stand, shotgun leaning against it.
 
I agree with the OP. From time to time you have to investigate noises either inside or outside your house and packing a rifle or shotgun just isn't practical. Imagine the neighbors are just up late and drinking a six pack at 2 a.m. and here you come out of the house packing an AK.

I find that a large dog is quite handy however. I've got a mutt that weighs about 100 lbs and has a bark like a grizzly. Whenever I investigate anything outside I let him go first. Dogs have a natural instinct to defend their territory and a keen sense of smell and hearing.
 
it's all about the place where you live and the space that you have in your home, for example, in my hause you can do both carbine/pistol.... but in my brother-in-law...you can seach with a damn tank inside his house.. because there is too much space...
 
When things go bump in the night or a knock at the door, I grab the rifle.

In a situation where I'm without long gun such as in the yard or running errands, then the handgun is primary.

If a long gun is accessible it is always primary.
 
So, in other words, you've deliberately put up an inflammatory thread title just to get responses. You don't actually disagree with the notion that longarms are more effective.

You're just suggesting that going to investigate something will usually be done with a sidearm.

From what I can see, the only "flaming" you deserve is for disingenuity in the thread title.

John
 
It all depends on how I assess the threat potential. I carry a handgun when that potential is low; because a handgun is convenient and easy to have around for the 99% of the time I called it right; but still offers me some options if I assessed poorly. If I think that the potential has increased significantly I will take a long gun.

In either case, training is more important than equipment.
 
I agree with the OP entirely. I think people watch too many movies/THC/Discover channel with SWAT and Navy SEALS with their tacticool AR's and lights/lasers and what not and think that's the best.

The reality is that VERY few people know how to handle a longun in CQB, especially at night.

If you are not facing multiple BG's with bullet proof vest, "most" people are better off using handgun that they are more used to, rather than slinging around a long gun.

I don't disagree about the shotgun, but I'm confident with my shot placement, and with my CQB training and night shoot training that I feel more than adequate with my handgun with extra mags that makes about 25+ rounds.

I'm not so concerned about the overpenetration bit that's always a source of debate in the THR. The importance is hitting the target....but identifying the target at night, in the dark, with adrenaline.....it's no time to whip out a tacticool AR if your aren't VERY familiar with with, although you could say the same thing about a handgun, but my experience is that people are usually better handling a handgun in CQB situation rather than a longgun.
 
my staircase is the type that has a 180 degree turn.

We dont all have the same layout, meaning (as I'm sure you know) you do what works for you. And in your case I believe you are right to assume that it is much easier to handle a pistol as appose to a rifle. The design of my home however makes it rather easy to handle my little AR.

such a knock will probably be a neighbor in trouble or some family member

Another valid point, I dont always grab my AR, sometimes I see the reason for grabbing a pistol instead. Its much easier to keep tucked into your pants while leaning partially concealed behind the door.

In the end though, It just depends on whats closer to me as I head for the door. Sometimes I'll be fiddling with my AR so it goes with me, and sometimes I'm already concealing my sidearm so it comes with me. Either way, just be careful.
 
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I do have an AR-15 that I keep by my bedside

Reid73

Time to move to a new neighbourhood. :what:

By my bedside... and I live in a nice hood that has three LEOs living in it.

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like jshirley, i fail to see the myth

i can move around my house just as safely with a rifle as a handgun. i have a much greater chance of hitting my target with a rifle than a handgun. i have a much greater chance of stopping my target with a rifle than a handgun.

i don't care if it is a church or family member at the door. they can expect to see me rifle-in-hand at 2am. we can still be friendly.


basically, i don't think you thought your argument out very well. i don't need to conceal a rifle in my home for any reason. and i don't have trouble manipulating it on any of my staircases, which also have 180* turns.

where's the disadvantage? where's the myth?
 
I can manuever a short rifle, such as my VZ-58, easily in my home. A late night knock is highly UNlikely to be anyone I want to see, most family is gone, the few left ain't in this town, and my neighbors are not buddy buddy with me.
If I have the time, a long gun is nice, if I don't, I can grab a pistol. Time is the thing, even withy several diogs who will bark at anyone trying to get in, how fast can I get A) awake, and B) get accoutered up, before Bad Guy Alpha reaches the bedroom and wife dials 911.
Timing is everything, and shot placement critical. Don't discount options, because they may or may not work for you. I am strongly thinking of a coach double 20 for the wife's side of the bed...
 
However, its drawbacks are that it's harder to conceal and harder to manipulate indoors as we walk around corners or traverse stairs,

That's a training problem, not a gun problem.

The reality is that VERY few people know how to handle a longun in CQB, especially at night.

True, but that doesn't mean it's the wrong choice, or that it's a "myth" that it's the best choice.

Back to training again.
 
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