Investigating bumps in the night: long gun or handgun?

Better for investigating bumps in the night: long gun or hand gun?

  • Long Gun

    Votes: 51 29.8%
  • Handgun

    Votes: 120 70.2%

  • Total voters
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Having indoor and outdoor burglar alarms, handguns /shotguns and home defense training isn't being paranoid. It is called protection for yourself and family. Where I live one sector of the population commit 85% of all crimes in the area. Most while armed
 
It would definately be easier to disarm a long gun from you. It's all in the leverage, try with a friend holding a stick in towards the middle with the end in your shoulder, as if it were long gun, and have your buddy grab the far end and see who has more control over it. If you were to fire in such a situation, off into wherever the barrel should be pointed, you risk shooting through (esp with a carbine) and potentially wounding a loved one/neighbor.

A pistol, on the other hand, you would both have about equal leverage. And because on this, your wrist being straight on the pistol grip would give you an advantage to their's being angled to hold onto the straight barrel, and would be worlds easier to get it pointed at them with such a short barrel.

It would be a difficult decision, against a pistol grip shotgun to a pistol. The shotgun definately has more power, but as mentioned before you limit your being able to open doors/manipulate any objects.

I also think if you're close enough, it'd be a lot easier to pistol whip someone and then get your barrel trained back on them then taking the stock from your shoulder and stroking them with it.

A carbine length rifle is still long enough from the shoulder to make going up stairs or turning around with it MUCH slower to manipulate than with a pistol.

Point blank, esp close enough to grab you, the gains in accuracy from a rifle aren't as significant as they would otherwise be.

I will aggree whole heartedly that one 00 Buckshot round would put them down harder than probably several 9mm's, but if you are in the home and proficient with your weapon should you have to shoot you should be able to dump your clip into them relatively fast and hit most of your shots. While still not as effective, for me to think of getting a chest full of HP's from even a 9mm much less a .45 will suffice.

In consideration to adrenaline, disassociative drugs, or the psychological/physiological factors that would stop them from feeling the pain or keep them going, those would of course apply to the long guns aswell.

Mind you, this is speaking only in terms of having to confront an assailant. If you feel you've got a positive identification of an intruder, you'd be best to call the police. It could a family member in the kitchen, it could be the dog getting up, which is why it makes sense to listen and stay put if you can. But in situations where it's worth the risk (i.e. kids etc) to investigate this is just my two cents. The gains of a shotgun increase if you believe there are multiple attackers also. Usually, thiefs don't try to rob houses they beleive are occupied at that time. If they've stumbled into a poor situation they are more likely to flee, and if they stick around their intentions are probably to kill you for something you did/they think you did, or to kill you objectively to evade capture. Most the fellas breaking into houses aren't the smartest bunch in the first place, but then in turn may have done this kind of thing before. Weigh the odds, and act accordingly. A lot of people think a gun in their hand makes them a pro, speaking more in terms of the bad guys, and if you aren't confident with you ability with said weapon you should not be using it in any sort of confrontation. You and your loved ones safety is top priority, which is why I also would not advise proceeding in the dark for the home-turf advantage as you would not be able to properly identify the individual or threat he poses, say whether he was armed or not and with what.
 
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No pistol round is sufficient for self defense.
I'd have to disagree. Someone tried to rob a liquor store here a few months ago, one shot to the chest with a 357 magnum and the robber was no longer a robber... more a corpse.
 
House Layout....

"Oooooh, the dreaded Top Of The Stairs defense! Seriously, ain't no perp knows how to properly clear stairs and keep his head. As long as you hear them coming, you're gravy!"

This is my struggle... In order for me to check my kids, I have to traverse my entire house... I have a typical capecod... front entry, (stairs in line with door...) Living room and ground floor hallway perpindicar to stairs from kitchen to downstairs bedroom....) Kitchen adjacent to living room...

My kids are upstairs, my wife and I are in one of the downstairs bedrooms.

My concern is, I hear a bump in the night... (My dog would let me know the severity.... gentle growl at window for passing deer.... and presumably something more pronounced for intruder....) anyway...

I have to make my way from my downstairs bedroom, down the hallway Small... 20 feet) through the kitchen and living room to the stairs... so, unless the BG is hiding in my bathroom and waited for me to pass while going down the hallway, I will have passed him unless he is upstairs with my kids.

So... if I were to put the kids downstairs would this be any better? Are the kids safer because they ARE upstairs?

Also, I should mention... we drive used, modest vehicles, we are simple modest people without many frills in our home so anyone in there was not there to steel a flat screen TV or anything they may have seen us bring in.

I will be taking the two NRA defense classes next month to get my CCW (In home, and out of home defense....) hopefuly this will set me straight somewhat too.

Leroy
 
mcdonl said:
..if I were to put the kids downstairs would this be any better? Are the kids safer because they ARE upstairs?..
What would be best is for the kids to be near you and near the safe room. It would always be desirable for everyone to have the shortest, most direct possible route to the safe room. With some layouts, this may be difficult or impossible.

mcdonl said:
...I will be taking the two NRA defense classes next month to get my CCW (In home, and out of home defense....)...
Good for you. These are good courses (I'm certified to teach both) and should give you a good foundation. This topic is covered in Personal Protection Inside the Home.
 
Thanks Fiddletown... My layout makes it tough. We have a plan, for both the night time incident, and the 13/10 year olds home alone but it is the evening intruder that worries me the most.

I am very excited about the courses!
 
It's a very simple choice for me... my rem 870 12ga. I know my way around that gun better than anything else and it has never let me down. When it really counts is "fancy wiz-bang probably should work" or "tried and true" what you want?
 
Fiddle town, I may have come up with something... When you come in my front door, to the left of the stairs (as in most capedod style homes...) there is a closet. If I put a door into that closet from my bedroom, it will give me immediate access to the front door, and the stairs to my children. This works for me, as my plan was... when the kids move out to make my living room a dining room, and my bedroom the living room...

This would also allow me to enter the main living area in the event of an intruder coming through the breeze-way which is more likley as they can access from the garage. I keep all three breeze way doors locked (Garage, drive way and kitchen...) but it would be easier to gain entry as you would not be seen by the street... just my dog and motion sensor lights. As it is now, as soon as I enter the hallway I am facing the breezeway door. If someone came in the breezeway it would be well lit and I would be able to see, but they would also see me.

Is this overboard? Spending a few hundred dollars to put a door into a closet for a better defensive layout of my home?

Do I need a tin-foil hat?

Leroy
 
Is this overboard? Spending a few hundred dollars to put a door into a closet for a better defensive layout of my home?

Not to me, assuming that it's part of a comprehensive safety strategy.

For example, how about egress in the event of fire? Where are your fire extinguishers? Are your defensive firearms in combo safes? Are they located in a manner that you can readily be cut off from all of them?

And finally, considering the layout of your home, does the purchase of one or more remote cameras make sense? I'm told that they are very inexpensive.

In designing the solution, it would seem that you have the following objectives:

  • Be able detect an unlawful entry or attempt at same
  • Be able to get the family to safety
  • Avoid exposing yourself to ambush
  • Have access to a safely stored defensive weapon in any situation
  • Be able to ensure that you do not inadvertently shoot at or endanger innocent persons

Make sense?
 
Kleanbore, those are good points... We do have a fire evacuation plan, but the fire extiquishers are not the best location or even a part of the plan.

During the evening, I have my firearm loaded, one in the chamber with the slide safety on in my nightstand at my bedside. I can see where this would be a problem if an intruder decided to come in while I was awake. I would have to retreat from the intruder to get to my weapon.

As far as the 5 bullets above... I have #1 covered with the dog, and the fact I lock my doors, live in the country have no family in the area, and no reason for ANYONE to enter my home other then my family of four.

#'s 2 and 3 would be resolved with the addition of the doorway into the closet.

#4 is tough for me to get my hands around. I do not want to carry when at home, and awake. But.... If I put one of my guns in the kitchen pantry I would never be more then a few steps away from a weapon.

#5... well, I shoot well over 100 rounds a week, I am taking two NRA defensive courses and I hope to sign up for IDPA as my buddy is the instructor in Maine. Other then that, situational awareness is about all I can hope for to avoid shooting an innocent person.

I have a lot to learn.

Thanks for your help.

Leroy
 
mcdonl said:
...I do not want to carry when at home, and awake. But.... If I put one of my guns in the kitchen pantry I would never be more then a few steps away from a weapon....
I don't like to leave loaded guns just sitting around unattended. We've solved that problem by using a number of lock boxes placed in strategic places around the house. These are bolted to something solid, out of the way but easy to reach. They use a touch pad combination that can easily, and very quickly, be operated without looking; and both my wife and I practice doing so periodically. Each contains a loaded gun, extra ammunition and a Surefire flashlight. We thus have quick access to loaded guns while keeping them out of unauthorized hands.

Also, if I'm going out to the garage at night, I'll slip a 1911 into my waistband. And if I'm up reading downstairs late at night, I'll slip a S&W J frame into the pocket of my robe.

=mcdonl said:
...I shoot well over 100 rounds a week, I am taking two NRA defensive courses and I hope to sign up for IDPA as my buddy is the instructor in Maine....
Good, keep practicing. And competition, like IDPA or IPSC, is an excellent idea. It's not a place to learn self defense and tactics. But it is an excellent way to learn and practice skills like safe gun handling, moving safely with a loaded weapon, shooting from unconventional postures, target acquisition, shooting fast and accurately, reloading, etc., all under the stress of competition. And it's fun.
 
Fiddle town... the last three words alone make it worth it!!

Thanks for the advice. I will safely improvise until I can get the lock boxes.

Leroy
 
I prefer a handgun. My house is small and the spaces are tight, so a long gun or a shotgun would be too much of a liability. I also live in a close neighborhood, you cant throw a stone without hitting at least 5 houses, so a rifle/ shotgun would be too much of a collateral damage issue.

I dont play too much into the idea that the pistol is a defensive firearm only. I have used a pistol in several offensive situations (Iraq). The pistol offers very good manueverability in close quarters, especially when your going into very small mud houses or outbuildings.
These situations are where a shotgun or rifle can work against you in many ways. They can get caught on stuff, they can bumb against door jams as you make entry into rooms, they are cumbersome in small spaces, the rounds can penetrate several walls (depending on the ammunition), etc.
 
870 with Knoxx stock and flashlight. Rack a round into that bad boy and you have two things in your favor: A) Buckshot, and B) Psychology. Every BG in the free world has heard the sound of a pump being racked, and they know that there is somebody in the house with a big friggin gun, who knows the layout better than they do.
 
Ok, we've gone all the way to someone posting the myth that the sound of a punp shotgun being racked automatically makes felons wet their pants :uhoh:...I think everything that can be said about this has been..............
 
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