N.H Officer Killed, attacker killed by passer-by

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I can also make the argument that there has been too little noise from the local PD. As you have said , they knew something bad might happen also.

The local PD knew there was bad blood between the two but did the absolute minimum to shut it down. Who is at fault?

I think in this case there is enough fault to pass around on both sides.
 
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More local articles...........

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070513/NEWS0201/105130155

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070514/NEWS0201/105140184

Paper doesn't want to make the relative of a favorite son (Bodie Miller) look bad by telling you he shot an officer in the back.

If you ever follow the exploits of Bode Miller.....you'd probably agree he's an absolute idiot and a druggie....quintisential child of privelage (elite private ski high school) who grows up thinking he's above all societal restraints (even the U.S. Ski team had to discipline him after he got in trouble for partying at the Olympics......OBTW...he didn't bring home any medals!)

Article states that when Miller was pulled over in 2005 for going 83 mph in a 40 mph ,,,,,,,,,,he chose to contest the ticket "to antagonize McKay."

Looks like being a loser runs in the family.

Thank God the passerby sealed his fate and we don't have to listen to him use police brutality as his excuse to get off lite on a murder charge.
 
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for those that are sugesting the officer acted badly to bring this on, you might be able to convince some that kenney felt threatend by mckay & shot him (maybe) but to then run over him with the car sorry, high road or not kenney got what he deserved.
 
So his option was expect the guy he has bad blood with to get another officer and sit there hoping he does or just drive off knowing full well they know who he is, and any other officer could go to his house to deal with the speeding ticket/other problems etc.

He drove off from an officer he had prior issues with before.

Then after being driven off the road the officer's response is to pepper spray the guy. I haven't heard yet if he called for back up, if he was told to let the guy go and was acting out of a grudge etc.

There is so much here we don't know, an already shaky background between the two. To say either deserved it or was correct in their actions is ridiculous at this point.

All that is known is 2 people are dead because of stupidity all around.

What disturbs me is how much leeway people give police officers, respect sure but they aren't above the law. They can be human and have flaws, grudges, and might not always act lawfully.

Many small town police turn a blind eye to things that in the big city wouldn't be tolerated. They do it because small towns have a tight community. Chances are small town police goto church/ went to school/ are friends with the people they are policing. And many times they pull over people who have been arrested before for minor things that they would let slide on other drivers.

Course the opposite holds true I have been in big cities and seen people get away with some horrible traffic violations in front of a cop that would never ever fly in a small town. But that could be because the big city police actually have something to do other than bust people for burning leaves, kids vandalizing things and domestic disturbances. When you live in a place that averages 1 murder every 5-10 years chances are the police are bored. Most of the time the cops in the small towns I have been in had to deal with drunk driver accidents and suicides more than actual violent crimes. Heck most people didn't lock their doors and some left their keys in the car.

The first guy is at fault for driving away,escalating the whole situation and killing the officer.
The cop is at fault for, apparently, not calling in back up before pulling over this guy he has a history with and turning his back on someone he just pepper sprayed. I know that I would be leery of having anything to do with a guy that has sued me once before for doing my job and would make sure every time from then on had witnesses and was nothing but professional.

I just wish there was more information about the whole thing.
 
Good solid High road comments folks.

There were personal issues involved in this case on both sides. I really do not think we have heard anything close to the whole story. Just as in the cops behaving badly threads, I think we might want to reserve judgement.
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I agree. These two have been at it for years. There is more to this story.
Condolences for the dead.
 
I am wondering if he ran over the guy before being shot or afterwards.

And did he stick around after running over the officer and then the bystander showed up or did the bystander flag him down and then try to get him to drop his gun.

This is what i mean there isn't enough information.
 
And, here is an excerpt from an article in today's Nashua Telegraph:

"Kenney and McKay knew and disliked each other. Kenney, whose cousin is famous skier Bode Miller, had been convicted of assaulting McKay in 2003, and Kenney’s family said the officer had broken Kenney’s jaw when he responded to an underage party several years ago. “They had bad blood going for a long time,” said Kenney’s uncle, Bill Kenney.

Some area residents felt McKay was too tough on young people in town.

“He was a local law enforcement officer in a small town, and he felt he was doing what was right,” said Tom Palmer, who owns the Stoney Brook Motel. “He created some hard feelings in town, but we were friends with him and he was always very professional with us.”

Police Sgt. Mark Taylor said McKay had been on the force for 12 years. He was the prosecutor for the department, which has three full-time officers and three part-time officers.

The Rev. Gary Hart of the Community Church said that during a harsh storm last month, McKay went out of his way to make sure the town’s elderly residents were safe and helped coordinate shelter arrangements. But, Hart told the New Hampshire Sunday News, “some thought he was rigid in coming down on the side of the law.”

“It’s hard to be a police officer in a small town,” Hart added. “He gave his heart and soul to the job before he gave his life to it.”

Bill Kenney described McKay as a “rogue cop” who had targeted his nephew and family for years.

“McKay stomped on him when he was a teenager,” he said, referring to the party incident several years ago. Kenney’s family said he tried to pursue the matter in court but nothing came of it because there were no other witnesses.

Bill Kenney described his nephew as troubled, but not violent.

“He was definitely part of the family, but we all had a little bit of a tenuous relationship with Liko,” he told the Concord Monitor. “I consider him a loose cannon, volatile.”

Kenney was born in Easton but spent much of his early years in Hawaii, where his parents own a coffee plantation. His uncle said he had a rough upbringing and dropped out of school by 10th grade.

Three weeks ago, Kenney started a new job at the Agway in Littleton. Owner Don Merrill said Kenney was a hard worker.

“He got along beautifully with the customers,” Merrill said. “He was learning all the ropes and doing quite well. He had a good future here.”

Rob Hayward knew both men well. He had been a friend of McKay’s since McKay joined the police department, and Kenney had been a close friend of his son, who was killed in a car accident in 2005. Kenney still kept in touch with Hayward and visited him Friday morning.

Hayward said McKay treated him with respect but said young people in town complained about problems with the officer. Kenney was “very, very afraid of Officer McKay,” he said.

“He was a good boy and I can’t understand what brought it to this,” he told the Monitor. “Officer McKay was a good officer. Those two had their problems, but I don’t understand how it got so escalated.”
 
It happened about 30 - 35 minutes from my house.

I knew none of the parties, however my daughter knew both the officer and his killer. A real tradgedy to loose a LEO. Local consensus seems to be a police officer, who was fairly agressive confronting a bad news nut case. Last night WCAX Channel 3, out of Burlington sent a newsteam to report from Franconia and they went to Bode Miller's home to interview the family. They were unsucessful. All I know about Miller is a skier and I don't know anything about the sport. Sending a newsteam to Miller's home reeks of the poorest journalism I can think of. Hat's off to Floyd.........Essex
 
I am not condoning nor excusing killing the police officer, but some people can be pushed too far.
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Yeah, after he shot him and then decided to run over the body repeatedly that might indidcate there was some bad blood. Sounds like this cop really pissed him off.
 
So his option was expect the guy he has bad blood with to get another officer and sit there hoping he does
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Let's see, town of around 1,000 people; according to the Union Leader "McKay was the police prosecutor for the department, which has three full-time officers and three part-time officers." "Another officer" would almost certainly involve waking somebody up and waiting for them to get dressed. Sounds like a great way to have "bad blood" with *two* local cops real soon.

or just drive off knowing full well they know who he is, and any other officer could go to his house to deal with the speeding ticket/other problems etc.
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Do you see a lot of that happening? Fleeing is a great way to indicate to an officer that there's something he needs to take a greater interest in. If he suspects DUI or possession of anything untoward, it's certainly in the department's best interest to not let the suspect go home and sober up or dispose of evidence.

He drove off from an officer he had prior issues with before.
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Big deal, it's a small town. My town is a lot bigger, and I've been pulled over by the same cop with three different ranks. Considering he's only ticketed me once, I seriously doubt he's watching me and waiting for me to screw up so he can shake me down at every opportunity.

Then after being driven off the road the officer's response is to pepper spray the guy.
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Well, he could have kept ramming the car until it was totally disabled, shot out the tires, shot the driver, or he could use pepper spray to disable the driver and keep him from running away again. Sounds to me like a reasonable, if ultimately ineffective choice.

I haven't heard yet if he called for back up, if he was told to let the guy go and was acting out of a grudge etc.
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Several stories have stated that he called for backup after Kenney drove off. "Backup," in this case, would almost certainly be from another department, for the reasons stated above, and there's no telling how long it would take to arrive.

IME, small towns don't subscribe to the "if they run, let them go" theory, since it just encourages running, and invites the problems in my second paragraph. In twenty years of scanner listening and BSing with the local LE, I've never seen the city or county departments back off any more than to the limit of visual range to avoid thrown objects or gunfire.

There is so much here we don't know, an already shaky background between the two.
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The "shaky background" angle is amusing; the guy was, by all accounts, a dropout deadbeat who couldn't keep a job.

His uncle described him as an "itinerant logger," which sounds a lot like "starving artist," i.e. too lazy, temperamental, and/or untalented to hold a steady job. "He's not the type to be educated. He's self-educated and that's kind of typical of his character...he wouldn't work for anybody, (and) he'd never have anyone work for him." Kenney described his nephew as "a loose cannon." "He was not the friendliest fellow," he said.

Any given one of his counterparts around here has had run-ins with most, if not all, of the local cops, and a few of them have been hospitalized by those run-ins at one time or another. It's an occupational hazard of being trailer trash with an attitude.

The cop is at fault for, apparently, not calling in back up before pulling over this guy he has a history with
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See above; odds are his backup has a history with this guy too, odds are even better that after being awakened and made to put on his uniform and drive over there, the backup would immediately start a history with the guy.

and turning his back on someone he just pepper sprayed.
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No source has yet stated the reason for his moving away after the spraying, to my knowledge. He could have gotten some blowback from the spray, and was trying to get clear. He might also have seen the gun and tried to run for cover.

I know that I would be leery of having anything to do with a guy that has sued me once before for doing my job and would make sure every time from then on had witnesses and was nothing but professional.
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With only three full-timers, most likely the camera was the only witness he could hope for until someone got there from another city, and there's a good chance their mutual aid policy requires something more than a traffic stop of a known low-grade loser.
 
I'm simply amazed at how long and tenuous a chain of supposition and logic humans are capable of creating to justify their point of view.

The actions of the passer-by were lawful and morally right. The man who shot the officer was wrong in every respect. The attempts to understand or rationalize the officer's shooting forget what's important: Shooting the officer wasn't self defense, it was murder.
 
The mental gymnastics some people are willing to make to justify their own preconceived notions, in this thread, are astounding.

Okay, back up with me for one second here and let's look at this logically.

You are the cop.

You pull somebody over. Even if this is someone you've dealt with before, it is still your job to pull them over for breaking the law.

In rural areas, you often don't have backup. I lived most of my life in the sticks. Response time was around 30 minutes.

So now you've pulled over this guy, and he just takes off.

Why would he run? What would you think? I'm sure some of you will say that he ran because he was trying to protect his sacred constitutional rights, and that this guy was really a libertarian activist like unto Ben Franklin. Well, most of us would probably think that he ran because he was doing something else bad, and he probably didn't want you to see it.

Just like if you run from a dog, it will chase you, same basic rule applies with cops. If I've pulled somebody over, and he drives off, I'm going to assume that he has something he doesn't want me to arrest him for. Whether it is a .2 blood alchohol level, a bag of dope, or a dead hooker in the trunk, it is kind of irrelevant.

But wait, Correia! If it wasn't for the unconstitutional war on drugs, then this wouldn't be an issue.

Okay, let's go with the dead hooker in the trunk then. Either way, if you run, you're gonna get chased.

So the cop chases him down, and pepper sprays him (obviously the action of a jack booted thug :rolleyes: ). I'm gonna guess that if he hadn't run the first time, he probably wouldn't have got sprayed.

Then the bad guy shoots him four times, and DRIVES HIS CAR over the cop. I don't know about you guys, but I'm thinking that there are probably better ways to resolve conflict with the local law, even if you have a personal problem with them.

As for the personal beef, and the fact that this guy got his jaw broke by this cop, and even the good descriptions of said "victim" make it sound like he was a jerk/loser/angry scumbag maybe, just maybe, the jaw breaking was justified.

And even if the jaw breaking wasn't justified, then how was shooting the guy, then driving over him, going to make anything better?

But wait, Correia! Maybe he was pushed TOO FAR by the JACKBOOTED THUGS!

Sure he was. But sane and rational people don't run from the cops, then shoot the cop, and then drive their car over them.
 
Ok lets look at this from the flip side

You are a high school student out partying and the cops bust up your high school party and in the process beat you so badly you are left with a broken jaw possible coma.

The cop that beat you is known for being a hard a** towards juveniles and young people.

You sue the cop for assault and the case is tossed out because of lack of evidence and because it was your word vs the cops on what happened.

Now the cop holds a grudge against you for making him goto court and for being a no good kid.

So every chance he gets he pulls you over for whatever reasons he feels like. You're already a criminal in his eyes. Heck he even goes after people in your family. So people you know and your family go after him by making sure he has to goto every court case and harassing him right back. It is a small town after all.

You get arrested by this guy again but this time instead of letting him rough you up you fight back and get charged with assault on a police officer. Now everyone knows you as the guy that gets in fights with cops and is a 'loose cannon.'

You are told by the people in this town you are allowed to request another officer anytime you are pulled over but surprise the guy in charge is the officer you don't like and have a history with.

Fast forward to these events where you have been pushed and harassed by this cop. All he has to do is get you to slip up once and he's got you. Besides who is going to believe a guy who attacked a cop, doesn't matter if it is the same cop. Cops are beyond reproach its his word vs yours.

You get pulled over again by this guy. who broke your jaw and harassed you. Your only defense is get another officer. What if he tells you they are all asleep, or tough etc, whatever reasons you want to think he could tell this guy.

People run out of fear and anger. He may have driven off because he was tired of this officer harassing him. He could have driven off out of fear of being attacked again. Who knows.

But now that you drove off you have escalated it and when the cop pushes you off the road he walks up and pepper sprays you and your friend.

This is where the break occurs and he decides his only way out is to shoot this cop and drive off. Shooting someone 4 times and driving over them says fear or anger (let alone we aren't sure if he drove over the officer before or after being shot by the pedestrian). It is unclear when exactly he drove over the officer and then how the bystander was able to shoot him when he was reloading.

That said there is enough here that says the cop wasn't a Saint.
It isn't mental gymnastics it is just looking at it rationally.
Yes Kenney was called a loose cannon but McKay was known for being a jerk to young people.

Besides if someone asks you what you though of a cop killer person what would you say? He was an upstanding guy you would love to hang out with?
People distance themselves really quick from those that have committed crimes. If a friend or cousin of yours ended up a child molester or cop killer what would you say to the media about them?

McKay had multiple people report him being rude and mean. So because he was a cop he gets a pass?

The whole situation is bad, I don't excuse Kenney for what he did but there is definitely more to the story than Saint Cop is gunned down by dirt bag loose cannon and then said dirt bag is killed by Hero bystander.
 
Wow. That saga reads like a mini-series. Make the protagonist a good looking woman and it would be a sure hit on Lifetime.

Okay, let's say you're right, and this cop was a dirtbag.

How then is putting to pedal to metal, and driving away, going to SOLVE ANYTHING?

Frustration? Anger?

Whatever, that is a terminal case of stupid.

Even if he was afraid he was going to get beaten again, (which I'm guessing is a streatch) then what did he think was going to happen after he engaged in a chase?

Plus having a fight with a cop, and a personal beef, regardless of whether or not the cop is a jerk, doesn't give you carte blanch to do whatever you want when you interact with said cop.

The cop that beat you is known for being a hard a** towards juveniles and young people.
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Hate to break it to you, having grown up in teeny-tiny towns, any cop that doesn't actively buy beer for you is a hard case. :scrutiny:

For your hypothetical to be true, we've got to guess on about twenty facts. For the guy to just be a scumbag who murdered a cop, we've only got to guess one. I'm going to go with the guess that the terminally unemployable guy, who his own relatives refer to as volitile, may have had some issues.

I've dealt with bad cops. In fact, I've dealt with a federal agent with a personal vendetta. In none of those situations would shooting them repeatedly and then driving my car over them be justified.
 
I agree Kenney was stupid and running was the worst decision he could have made that and he is ultimately at fault for escalating this to a chase and then shooting.

But I have seen people that cannot get a job because of a screw up as a kid.

It is that much of a stretch that because of hard a** cop busting you for assault it screwed up any chance of you ever getting a job later on?

We don't make it easy for Felons or ex-criminals to go back to a normal lifestyle what so ever so they are left with what ever jobs they can find and many are forced to lead less than upstanding lives from then on. Not saying it gives Kenney a pass but he could be one of those people that decided to blame his short comings on McKay instead of himself. And that if he could get back at McKay his life would be better.

Meanwhile McKay is amused and has a grudge against Kenney. It happens all the time.

The town I grew up in if you looked under 20 and drove in at anything more than 25 mph one particular officer would pull you over and want to check your car and see if you were high etc. Everyone is school knew what cop it was and made sure to come into and leave town away from his haunts. All the rest of the cops hated this guy because he made them look bad. Parents were always in court and at city council meetings about him saying since he has enough time to lay in wait for teenagers then maybe they don't need such a big budget for x y z.But still it didn't keep him from harassing all the high school kids and teenagers in town.

You could literally watch someone with a kid in the bed of their pick up drive by and that cop not do anything yet a teenager with a busted tail light gets their car searched. Heaven help you if he ever busted you for smoking cigarettes or pot or were friends with someone busted for that. From then on it was always I smelled pot so I had to search the whole car.

He finally ended up getting busted for letting women get out of tickets by giving him oral sex.

I admit I am jaded from seeing stuff like this first hand growing up. But I also knew good cops who always helped me out when we had parking problems and domestic disturbances at the Apartments I managed.Also when people that needed to be picked up for causing problems at the bar.

To me while Kenney seems to be a stupid dirt bag, it is as likely to me that McKay egged him on and enjoyed messing with him.
 
Uhhh . . . young people everywhere complain about the cops being jerks and shutting down their parties. I see nothing unique by the reporter having success in tracking down "the young people" in town all too willing to give their accounts about what a killjoy he is. (Justin, it appears you aren't the only one).

If reporters found other citizens who were willing to step forth and make a claim to strongarm, authoritarian behavior, I have no doubt we'd see it printed. It appears the only audience stepping forth to make those claims are the younger folks, who probably would say the same thing of their Dads.

How in the hell a guy like Kenney, with his relatives speaking soooo highly of him, gets the benefit of . . . . "well, he could have had a justifiable reason for shooting a Peace Officer, and running over him" astounds me.

Small town cops get away with more??? That's just B.S. Huge B.S. The only reason NYC got away with the "zero tolerance" tactics Juiliani imposed upon them was precisely because its so big. Small town cops have no place to blend in and hide when they act like jerks to their communities. Simply put, they don't last long. Everyone knows who they are . . . they live, shop, and go out to dinner, and go to church in the community with the citizens . . . and when they act like jerks, the Chief, Mayor, and other elected community officials find out who they are, real quick when the good citizens bring the pressure to bear. When the less desireable and more troublesome citizens complain, it carries less weight.


Officer McKay was on camera. I'm quite sure he knew it. I'm quite sure he also knew if he behaved inappropriately, the tape from his cruiser would reflect that.


Some of these leaps really go pretty damned far. But I reckon every tall tale finds a sympathetic ear. John Kerry's portrail of Vietnam Veterans as murderers and rapists did, too.
 
So what if Kenney did blame McKay for his crappy life? It don't make shooting him and running over him okay.

But I have seen people that cannot get a job because of a screw up as a kid.
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And this is usually compounded by the prison tats on their face, their drug problems, their out of control drinking, and the fact that he beat his girlfriend in the parking lot. :p (sorry, remembering too many job interviews)

And if this cop was a dirtbag, then it wouldn't hardly keep the dead guy from getting a job, because in a small town, everybody would know the cop was a dirtbag, and take that into account when hiring.

But that doesn't sound at all like what happened. It sounds like another multiple-time loser decided to murder someobody.

Meanwhile McKay is amused and has a grudge against Kenney. It happens all the time.
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Totally possible. Also possible that it was some sort of grand conspiracy, a love triangle, cops on the take, or something even wackier, but without evidence, you're just guessing.

And from what I've seen, often times holding a grudge is pretty normal in small towns. Because you know who your local scumbags are. It isn't like in an urban environment where you have so many scumbags to choose from that they can just kind of blend in with the other scumbags.
 
Assault rifle is to evil and scary looking as
Person is to what friends and family say about them.

I knew a guy whose father was a Vietnam vet that beat the daylights out of him and his mother regularly. Yet because he was a vet and his kid was a delinquent the dad must be beyond reproach. Which side would you take? The ex-marine Vietnam Vet that was almost beaten to death with a broom handle by his pot head son or the pot head son?

Looking at it most people would side with the vet. Unless you knew the kid and his family and saw how he ran away from home over and over to get away from his nut case father.

Do you have any family members that would love to call you a gun nut?
How about a loose cannon?

Let alone know someone that appears to be cream of the crop but is in reality a loathsome individual?

Its like saying everyone who fought in WWII was a nice guy and fun to hang out with.

Or that everyone who ever had a run in with the law is a dirtbag.

Or all gun owners are murderers waiting to happen.

To me that is the same approach to things as assault weapons are scary.
 
REOIV,

You're pretty talented at this. Unless you've committed to your career, you'd do well to think about one in Social Work . . . or Defense Litigation.


Neither let little details like evidence get in the way of a good arguement to excuse a prior history of consitently poor behavior.
 
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