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I've never seen ammunition at Walmart that is of the same quality as Black Hills.
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It was a statement of comparison. There isn't any evidence that HSN is Black Hills quality either, but if I were to guess between Federal at Walmart and some overpriced no name upstart as to who would be the better quality, it would not be the no name upstart.

Our local Walmart does have the occasional high dollar hunting ammo, however.
 
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ScottsdaleAmmo.com
Distributors of HPR Ammunition
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Yawn, At $14.49 + shipping and handing for remanufactured 115 Gr 9mm ammo from a unknown company. Doesn't sound like a good deal at all to me at all.

I just bought 500 Rounds of not remanufactured Winchester 124 Gr 9mm NATO +P two weeks ago for $15.00 per 50 rounds out the door at a gun show.
 
Cabela's has PMC 55 grain FMJ-BT .223 for $6.49/box of 20. I'll pass on this no name, unproven, overpriced.......stuff.:p
 
Well, I can appreciate what they are trying to do. I hope that people do purchase the stuff, and hopefully as demand goes up, and they are able to pay off the costs of starting a new business, then prices may come down.

I however can buy new 9mm for quite a bit cheaper at just about every gun/ammo shop in town, so I dont believe I will be purchasing it right now.
 
I think they would've been smarter to open in late 2008.
All of the nay-sayers in this thread would've been jumping all over the chance to buy any ammo.

Then again, I did get a free box from them, so I'm biased, hehehehe.
 
When you throw in the coupons on 2 boxes of 9mm, it's $12+ shipping for 9mm.

No offense but I see way more expensive prices out there including many websites that promote on message boards. Ammoengine shows it very easily. I'm tired of people complaining about america not making anything anymore and then giving props to a Korean brand even at a higher price?

Hell - This is AMERICA and we need jobs and production to get us out of the recession/depression. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but call me crazy but a buck or two on a box of AMMO is well worth supporting our nation and not to mention Arizona who is stepping up it's game the way the rest of our "off the track" union is going. Right to Open Carry, NO need for Conceal Weapon Permits, and now the enforcement of illegal immigration.

We should be applauding those businesses in Arizona in the face of the liberal left boycotting them.

(Again, not saying you gotta buy this brand or any other brand but frustrated to see even our gun owning brethren thinking like liberals would want us to think and not have american firearm industry expand)
 
Glockstar: You just pumped me up listening to you up on that soapbox and if it were not for the thousands of practice ammo I have right now,
I would drop a couple more bucks extra if I needed anything right now. I think the way you worded it cleared my vision a little. Not to get too
political but with situations like GM trying to send production to China we need all the help we can get over here. I am strongly against imports
and outsourcing and this company does need our support. Hopefully HPR can equalize their pricing to stay competitive.

I think where we all lose sight is that it takes more than one of us to make a difference. Adding a buck or two to a box of ammo will not put us
in the poor house but collectively it might keep some American workers and their families off the streets. If we all thought this way about our Country,
we probably wouldn't be in the mess we are in right now.
 
Sure is "MMURIKA STRONG!!" in here.
Look, if it's good stuff, then it's good stuff.


I'll try and post an objective (certainly not scientific) report when I shoot the stuff.
 
Different product, but same principle. Take a look at Polaris, the all American company, right? Wrong! They announced last week they are moving ATV production to Mexico! Probably for cheap labor. Polaris is giving 500 workers in Wisconsin the boot.

On the flip side, what is Yamaha doing? They are moving ALL production to the U.S in 2013, Newman Ga. They are building a production plant and will probably put at least 500 Americans to work. Which company is more American now? Kawasaki is built in Nebraska also. Sounds like the import companies are doing more to support our economy than some of our own companies, pretty sad state of affairs.
 
I am sorry I am not paying more for reloaded ammo because it is made in Arizona. I will just get my 9mm American made Federal red box at Wal-Mart for 8.97 and keep on as usual. Maybe more companies need to go out of business until they learn that asking the customer to pay their startup costs is not a good way to do business. Now if it was 9-10 bucks a box they would sell more boxes and then make more money. But no they want to be greedy and get that extra 2-3 bucks a box and drive business away. I am not going to pay for another business' mistakes willingly. Let em sink or swim I say.
 
I just looked at the Scottsdale Ammo web page. Looks impressive and yes the prices are higher by a bit. Not tremendously high though. And they certainly went to a lot of effort to package their product. I contacted them and asked about their quality assurance process.

This is what the folks in AZ told me:

1. Their current production lots are high grade remanufactured rounds.

2. New Production is underway. They will be doing both.

3. Each round is individually inspected by hand.

4. Each lot is tested via a velocity test chamber (not a chronograph like you would see at the range). The spec's they are using are SAAMI and MILSPEC, and not just from a reloading book.

It appears they are very serious about what they are producing. (I think bad products would be outed IMMEDIATELY).

I have looked around for comparisons, and while there are some brands a bit cheaper, those same brands are: 1) Sold out on back order; 2) Coming soon; 3) Out of Stock, no back order.

I went around to a few gunshops, little or no 5.56/223 available and what is available is somebody's military surplus and the price is comparable to HPR'S bulk price. I am not seeing the 9.00 a box 9mm anywhere out where I am located. Same for .45ACP (my primary caliber)

I have shot the Russian made stuff, the steel is unreloadable, I can reload HPR'S stuff if I want. And as well all know almost all of the foreign stuff is REAL dirty. I bought some because they have it, and others don't. I expect it by Friday.

Since these guys are new, claiming to be all American, think it appropriate to see if they can deliver. I think just the appearance of their packaging allows me to feel they aren't charletons.
 
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Nice sales pitch.

I'd have more respect for you if you just stated that you worked there and made your case.
 
I think what bothers me is how much they're advertising their quality. Okay, I'm going to assume their quality is high.

So what? To me there is no advantage in paying the premium price for plinking ammo. IMO they're putting themselves in a poor spot.
When I buy ammo I want one of four things:
1 - cheap plinking ammo
2 - match ammo
3 - SHTF ammo (mil spec, crimped and sealed primers) to store
4 - personal defense ammo

They don't offer mil spec or defense ammo.
What they seem to offer is ammo that has the quality control of match ammo but is loaded with plinking components and is priced between match and plinking ammo. I don't want half way match ammo and I don't want expensive plinking ammo. They really should go one way or the other.

I have looked around for comparisons, and while there are some brands a bit cheaper, those same brands are: 1) Sold out on back order; 2) Coming soon; 3) Out of Stock, no back order.

I went around to a few gunshops, little or no 5.56/223 available and what is available is somebody's military surplus and the price is comparable to HPR'S bulk price. I am not seeing the 9.00 a box 9mm anywhere out where I am located. Same for .45ACP (my primary caliber)
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I'm not sure where you live, but there's plenty of ammo around me. Three Walmarts within 20 minutes of me are fully stocked with WWB and Fed Champion pistol ammo as well as Win and Rem 223 for $10/box. I can drive 45 minutes to Dicks Sporting Goods and buy all the mil-spec Win 5.56 I want for $9 or Fed XM193 for $10.
Those are not the best prices for 223, but it is convenient to buy. The 9mm ammo prices are crazy. Win 9mmNATO and RWS 124gr FMJ are $13/box at Walmart.
If I want it cheaper I'll buy online. ammunitiontogo.com, sgammo.com, etc have tons of ammo in stock at good prices.
 
I live here in the "Peoples Republic" of WA State, and the pickens is pretty slim here in the greater Puget Sound area. I have a Cabela's 10 minutes outside the gate, several Walmarts and assorted gunshops, and the monthly Washington Arms Collector gunshow. The inventories are inconsistent, and prices are crazy. At the present time I am looking and open to any decent source. I will be checking out the above mentioned online sales outfits.

Frankly, for the past few years, I haven't needed to buy bullets. I had plenty at via the graciousness of the American public.

And yes I am new to this blog.
 
I just looked at the Scottsdale Ammo web page. Looks impressive and yes the prices are higher by a bit. Not tremendously high though. And they certainly went to a lot of effort to package their product. I contacted them and asked about their quality assurance process.
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They are tremendously high for a no name ammo selling what isn't match ammo. So they are selling generic range ammo. Do I want to pay more for it? Do I want to pay more for foreign-cased reloads processed in America? I like the selling point, but I don't know anyone selling foreign reloads, LOL.
 
Food for thought for GlockStar and others: why anyone would assume that just because they're in AZ and sell a US-made product they must automatically be On Our Side or represent All That Is Right is beyond me. You're "donating" an extra five bucks per box on the assumption that they support (insert pet cause here), as opposed to simply trying to make a buck.

Last I checked, China wasn't a big supporter of RKBA, but they sure were happy to sell us their ammo...
 
I'm not paying an extra $4/box for .223 ammo that is "made in America", so what! PMC shoot's real nice in my Mini-14, and its $6.49/box, don't care if it comes from Korea or Timbucktoo, lol.:neener:
 
I'm in agreement with most of the posters here.
They are trying to sell plinking and range ammo for premium prices.

I shoot cheap ammo for plinking and general range practice. in everything from .380 to .45 ACP.
I like the "really cheap" S&B ammo. It's always at SAMMI or NATO specs, it's clean burning and shoots to POA. Last I bought was 20 boxes at $6.99 box/50 for 124 Gr. FMJ. They aren't even close. My ammo is all never fired at this point, till I get my supply up and my reloading bench set up.

As far as American Made goes, I used to work for GM in Detroit and Saginaw. I walked away from them 6 years ago because of their political BS. I wish the idiot Dems would have let them all fail.
We should support American Made products as long as the companies don't treat us like a bunch of sheep. The pretty box, smoke and mirrors and hyperbole is for the Mall Ninja's. WWB is the best looking ammo box I've ever paid for.
I'll shoot WWB and S&B as long as I can. I have CCI, Speer and Hornady for my premium SD ammo, and I won't look to anybody else when my life may depend on it.

Regards, Gearchecker
 
^ I call sales pitch.

I live in Washington. Check my thread history, Ive been cleaning up at WalMart. Ammo is not only not scarce, it is in great abundance. Walmarts ammo is cheap and plentiful, as is Cabela's ammunition stock (well, less so cheap but still reasonable).

On topic: Nice idea, but $16 for reloads is rediculous and I will never pay that much, especially when I can consistently buy new federal 9mm for $9.47/50, match grade RWS for $12.97, and even sometimes Winchester NATO for a similar price. Ill be interested to see what their .380 comes out to be, but if its anything like the 9mm reloads, well, "do not want."
 
R & F Services, Inc. Arizona
Scottsdale Ammo, LLC
Scottsdale Firearms, LLC
Presence International, LLC Nevada
Rymo Investment Holdings, LLC Nevada
Advanced Munition Industries LLC (cannot find)
Advanced Tactical Armament Concepts LLC Nevada

I believe they are all tied together in some manner. The name/member/manager/agent connections are there. Too late to pursue. Get back later.
 
It does appear that they are depending on the design of their box to sell ammunition. Also, my guess is that they started the ball rolling a year ago when stuff was worth what they are charging and now they are stuck with the prices that they put on their business plan. If their business plan did not include starting their product out cheaper than the competition then they are doomed to fail.
 
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