New assault on open carry

[BSA1]

And that, my friend, is why I would likely vote to end open carry in regions wherein such an attitude toward "rights" prevailed over even a modicum of good judgement.
The OC'rs would have done it to themselves.

So the only issue with you is how many gun rights you want to take away because of your personal feelings, not based on facts. Decisions based on emotion puts you on the side of the anti-gun owners.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Schools are a problem. There are a number of places where it is illegal to carry in this state, schools are one of them. A certain percentage of the population is always going to feel threatened by OC and object to it. Just because it's legal doesn't mean you don't have a social obligations to try to get along with the other 50% of the population. I see this 'in your face attitude' in the city a lot. Don't see it much where I live and that's the reason I don't live in the city anymore. Here the schools are underfunded and can't afford to hire security. They have to rely on administrators and teachers to spot and stop potential aggressive behavior. Do you want to fund security in every school through higher property taxes. I certainly don't, mine are high enough as it is.

If it is illegal to carry concealed on school property why would you think it's a good idea to OC there? Because you can?

 

[MEHavey]

So the only issue with you is how many gun rights you want to take away
because of your personal feelings, not based on facts. Decisions based on
emotion puts you on the side of the anti-gun owners.

For the most part, Darwin is largely dead in this society. One can be terminally
stupid & irresponsible in any number of areas nowadays and still not pay the
deserved consequences

Gun "Rights" is an exception to that general rule in this brave new world.
You will lose them (or the exercise of them) in heartbeat.

Once again... xin loi.

 

[smalls]

If it is illegal to carry concealed on school property why would you think it's a good idea to OC there? Because you can?

Because I enjoy my right to protect myself. That's the whole point of carrying the damn thing.

 

[JRH6856]

And I (and a whole lotta other people) will carry that subjective opinion right to the polls.

And if you prevail, that will soon be the only thing you can carry.

But I don't believe you are opposed to firearms per se, you are just opposed to individual liberty. You seem to be one of those who believe that all natural rights must be surrendered so that government may allow them as a limited privilege. I would be interested to know if you see the Constitution as anything other than a quaint historical document that provides some general guidelines that the government may follow when convenient.

 

[316SS]

Regarding the freedom of speech, Evelyn Hall said "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

The only relevant fact here is that the government is threatening to harass citizens for lawful behavior. If one thinks his opinion of OC, pro or con, has any relevance to this discussion, he is confused about the concepts of liberty and natural rights.

CT

 

[Warp]

The district is stupid, but if lawful carriers force them to lockdown and call the cops daily, eventually either the cops or the districts superintendent will be forced one way or the other to knock it off. A lawsuit or two against the district and some negative press (if the media bothers to cover it without an anti OC spin) and they might shape up quick.

I suppose if the lawful carrier puts a gun to the school employee's head and tells them to call 911 and lock down the school or they will shoot, we might then say the lawful carrier has "forced" them to lockdown.

Otherwise I don't know what you are talking about.

And that, my friend, is why I would likely vote to end open carry in regions wherein
such an attitude toward "rights" prevailed over even a modicum of good judgement.
The OC'rs would have done it to themselves.

As before... xin loi.

It amazes me how many gun grabbers have years-old accounts on THR.

Except it seems there has been no request at all. And by showing the kids that guns are not scary when used and carried appropriately (if they even managed to notice it's presence in the first place), there would be nothing to fear. What's going to cause more fear in these kids, the possibility of seeing someone lawfully open carry, or blazing alarms, school on lock down and police swarming the are. In other words, the school officials would rather choose to potentially ignite mass panic in a school full of little kid's, or act like rational, responsible adults and verify the legality of an openly displayed pistol. Anyone who supports the former over the latter, I hear Bloomberg may have some groups you'd be interested in.

Now you're talking!

 

[X-Rap]

It amazes me how many gun grabbers have years-old accounts on THR.

Yes, often when the subject of true unabashed liberty and the responsibility for maintaining and exercising it comes up it is shocking to see.

 

[MEHavey]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MEHavey View Post
And that, my friend, is why I would likely vote to end open carry in regions wherein
such an attitude toward "rights" prevailed over even a modicum of good judgement.
The OC'rs would have done it to themselves.

As before... xin loi.

It amazes me how many gun grabbers have years-old accounts on THR.

In case you haven't figured it out, I (and others in the string) are warning against actions
that will get you hammered by the lawmakers. And once that milk is spilt...

Just don't do it in my state.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

This does make sense to me in this day and age. The vast majority of Americans have forgotten what a right is. The majority currently believes that all activities are subject to restricting laws. All that is required is some negotiation.

Indeed. What a profound observation!


We fought a bloody war over the issue of State's rights which also included a very basic human rights issue: slavery. When the dust settled and the blood soaked into the Earth, we had the 13th amendment prohibiting slavery. From there, black people enjoyed their new found rights and freedoms to the full extent of the various laws which were enacted to "regulate" those very rights. Hallelujah for Jim Crow laws (and the gun control laws that came along with them, by the way)!

An entire century passed before enough people took a stand and said "enough is enough" and challenged those issues...and yet ANOTHER half century has passed dealing with the fallout from THAT...and STILL we have problems with government suppression of rights and freedoms related to this.

150 years after the Civil War we have a government which has managed to convince a huge portion of the population that it's perfectly OK to allow themselves to be placed in civil servitude to a government which doles out benefits purposefully designed to maintain their status quo as poor, subjugated people who willingly allow it in order to receive a pittance in social benefits from the government!


Rights...ALL rights...have consequences which could be detrimental. But here's the thing: NOT having those rights means WORSE consequences.

We can't eliminate all the bad things out of life, no matter how we try. And attempting to do so at the expense of the foundation which was laid in order to allow people to get the best out of life under the government they live under is folly. In other words...we end up making things worse through such efforts.


IF WE ALLOW OURSELVES TO LIVE IN FEAR under our government or in any society, then it's NOT because of things like guns...it's because of the actions of the people in society. Which, necessarily, includes the government.

If people are afraid of the dark and the unknown...then turn on the light and educate them. Don't ban "darkness" and the "unknown". Doing so only re-enforces their fear of the dark and unknown and allows them to be lead by their noses by those who are not operating under the ignorance of darkness.


Quit allowing people to legislate our rights away over false fears and assurances.

 

[Warp]

In case you haven't figured it out, I (and others in the string) are warning against actions
that will get you hammered by the lawmakers. And once that milk is spilt...

Just don't do it in my state.

I'll carry, lawfully, however I want, whenever I want, wherever I want.

My choice to make. Not yours.

 

[MEHavey]

I'll carry, lawfully, however I want, whenever I want, wherever I want.

And likely as not, you will wind up spread-eagled on the floor, guns pointed
at your head (or worse), and paying a lot of money to a lot of lawyers --
win or lose. But that's your money.
Again, just don't do it in my state.

My choice to make. Not yours.

But of course it's my choice, via the ballot box once initiated as a result of demonstrated
poor judgement on the part of those who would adamantly show same.

Worse... it's the likes of their choice:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/05/washington-state-background-checks_n_6103282.html
And it's obvious the sheep scare easily.


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[JRH6856]

And likely as not, you will wind up spread-eagled on the floor, guns pointed
at your head (or worse), and paying a lot of money to a lot of lawyers --
win or lose. But that's your money.
Again, just don't do it in my state.
But of course it's my choice, via the ballot box once initiated as a result of demonstrated
poor judgement on the part of those who would adamantly show same.

Worse... it's the likes of their choice:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/05/washington-state-background-checks_n_6103282.html
And it's obvious the sheep scare easily.


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In most states, probably a lot less likely than it appears you would like. But if your state is California, it is easier to understand the basis of your thinking. The brainwashing there and in the other edge states has been especially effective.

Surrendering a right our of fear of having it suppressed if you exercise it just means you have already lost it. That you choose to do that to yourself does not mean everyone else must climb into the handbasket with you.

 

[MEHavey]

FWIW: My states have been

Panama
Alabama
New York (state)
California
Georgia
Guatemala
...select garden spots in what are now PACOM & CENTCOM
Ohio
Massachusetts
Virginia
New Mexico
Idaho
Texas....
these are just for starters, and all were relatively free at one time.

Getting back to the subject at hand if someone unknown & unannounced walks into a school openly armed just because it's his "right," he/she (or it nowadays) in going to wind up talking to a judge.

... if he's lucky.

 

[JRH6856]

Getting back to the subject at hand if someone unknown & unannounced walks into a school openly armed just because it's his "right," he/she (or it nowadays) in going to wind up talking to a judge.

Getting back to the subject at hand, just read my sig lines.

 

[MEHavey]

Tell it to the judge....

 

[Warp]

And likely as not, you will wind up spread-eagled on the floor, guns pointed
at your head (or worse), and paying a lot of money to a lot of lawyers --
win or lose. But that's your money.

Yeah, I don't think so.

8 years and counting.

 

[MEHavey]

8 years and counting.

What ? Open carrying in school halls ?
Please tell us where in Georgia. (Kennesaw perchance?)
Even if so, I'd recommend readers not take it as reliable recommendation.

 

[Warp]

Like I said

I'll carry, lawfully, however I want, whenever I want, wherever I want.

My choice to make. Not yours.

I've had plenty of people tell me (usually online, sometimes in person) that carrying open to XYZ place would end the way you are talking.

Has never happened, not even close, and I'm still welcome back, open carry and all, at every single location.

 

[Deltaboy1984]

Heard on Texas Politics this morning that open carry should return to TX next year.

 

[JRH6856]

Tell it to the judge....

Not unless I am standing in front of one.

For that to happen, I'll have to be charged with a crime.

That generally requires acting in an illegal manner.

And what we are talking about is not illegal.

And no one here is talking about carrying in a school where the act is illegal.

 

[MEHavey]

Again, tell it to the judge. And if in a school -- the subject of this thread -- which (legal or not) as a consequence goes into lockdown...
You may challenge me off the jury for cause on whatever charges the ham sandwich specialist brings to the fore.

 

[JRH6856]

You'll have to talk to the judge. I won't be there.

 

[george burns]

There is no reason to open carry in a school unless you are a uniformed officer on official police business period.

 

[Warp]

You'll have to talk to the judge. I won't be there.

Yup