beatledog7
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These new EOs will reduce gun violence in exactly what way, Mr. Obama?
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MedWheeler
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For now..
alsaqr
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It is not an "executive order".
The BATFE can simply cite the "sporting purposes clause" of the GCA 1968 and ban them from import. The BATFE under presidents Reagan, Bush I and Clinton banned guns from import in this manner.
Congress has had 45 years to fix the GCA 1968; they have done nothing.
The BATFE can simply cite the "sporting purposes clause" of the GCA 1968 and ban them from import. The BATFE under presidents Reagan, Bush I and Clinton banned guns from import in this manner.
Congress has had 45 years to fix the GCA 1968; they have done nothing.
RiverPerson
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So, are they going after only U.S. made surplus weapons or trying to stop the import of all surplus guns?
How is an M1 Garand different from a modern made commercial semi automatic hunting rifle? Or a 1903 more dangerous than the numerous commercial bolt guns out there?
"Common-Sense?"
Yeah right.
How is an M1 Garand different from a modern made commercial semi automatic hunting rifle? Or a 1903 more dangerous than the numerous commercial bolt guns out there?
"Common-Sense?"
Yeah right.
USSR
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The U.S. Army is not a "private entity" either. The countries that received Garands thru loans by our government are required to return them, so the CMP will continue to receive the loan rifles returned to the U.S. Army. The countries that outright bought the Garands will no longer be able sell them to U.S. "private entity" wholesalers, such as was the case with the re-imported Korean Blue Sky rifles sold in the 1980's.
Don
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No, and this does not impact the CMP.
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So, the talk about EOs possibly ending surplus foreign ammo imports were completely irrational rantings, right? 
. Or does no one take this move as an obvious hint at that?
This man will try to end the exemption of 12ga from the DD regs at this rate :banghead:
TCB
. Or does no one take this move as an obvious hint at that?This man will try to end the exemption of 12ga from the DD regs at this rate :banghead:
TCB
The intent of these EO's, as well as all the other gun laws, and regs, are not intended to reduce or stop violent crimes committed by criminals using illegally obtained guns.
The real intent is to reduce the number of guns that are available to the law abiding citizen, and further control of the populace.
The real intent is to reduce the number of guns that are available to the law abiding citizen, and further control of the populace.
Sam1911
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Not at all! As Orest Michaels has said repeatedly, the CMP does NOT exist to sell guns. That's just a nice sideline they've been able to offer. When there are no more surplus rifles to sell (which has to come sometime anyway -- that's inevitable) the CMP will continue doing their primary mission just as they have for so long. After all, MOST service rifle match shooters haven't been shooting the kind of rifle the CMP has sold for decades now.
ngnrd
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Military grade weapons? What does that even mean...?
Oh, I think I got it!
Here's an example of a civilian vehicle...
And, here's an example of a MILITARY-GRADE vehicle...
Wait... I'm not sure that helps...
What does 'military grade' mean again?
Oh, I think I got it!
Here's an example of a civilian vehicle...
And, here's an example of a MILITARY-GRADE vehicle...
Wait... I'm not sure that helps...
What does 'military grade' mean again?
Sam1911
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I'm very curious to see exactly what is going to be covered by his "military grade" weapons import ban? Seeing as we already have 925d(3) and 922r in place, modern military arms aren't importable anyway.
The parts kits restrictions could get a little tighter, but that seems unlikely since the barrels already have to be cut.
He could put the halt to the long-theorized shipment of the last few rattle-trap Garands and Carbines left overseas, I guess. Those have been sort of a non-event anyway for years now, with the economics of it seeming questionable if the red tape even could be cut through.
He could refuse to allow shipments of Mosins, which are just about the only bolt-action battle rifle coming into the country in large numbers anyway, and/or other bolt-action rifles, but there will have to be pretty careful language to distinguish one bolt action rifle (used by a military) from another bolt action rifle (made for commercial sale by CZ or FN or Howa or whomever).
We'll just have to see what, if any, effect this actually has.
The parts kits restrictions could get a little tighter, but that seems unlikely since the barrels already have to be cut.
He could put the halt to the long-theorized shipment of the last few rattle-trap Garands and Carbines left overseas, I guess. Those have been sort of a non-event anyway for years now, with the economics of it seeming questionable if the red tape even could be cut through.
He could refuse to allow shipments of Mosins, which are just about the only bolt-action battle rifle coming into the country in large numbers anyway, and/or other bolt-action rifles, but there will have to be pretty careful language to distinguish one bolt action rifle (used by a military) from another bolt action rifle (made for commercial sale by CZ or FN or Howa or whomever).
We'll just have to see what, if any, effect this actually has.
medalguy
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And Orest Michaels has repeatedly said their supply of rifles is getting vey low and there are no more to be found to replace that stock.
Anyone want to bet companies like Century will be looking pretty lean if this goes into effect and stands? And what about the Korean Garands we keep hearing about? Scrap metal?
Anyone want to bet companies like Century will be looking pretty lean if this goes into effect and stands? And what about the Korean Garands we keep hearing about? Scrap metal?
Sam1911
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Right. Which is an absolute inevitability eventually, regardless of any presidential action. Better next year than this year, of course, but it's been coming for 50 years.
Well, importation of firearms was Century's real business long before they got into building AKs. Now, it's unclear they even need the import side, aside from parts kits. As, by law, the AKs they're selling are "made in the USA" (for the most part), this wouldn't apply to them at all.
If they were ever coming anyway? That's been a wish and a prayer for a decade or so, and the reports about the price and condition were disheartening.
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the Administration is announcing a new policy of denying requests to bring military-grade firearms back into the United States to private entities
This would seem - seem - to mean that the target of the new EO would be US-origin firearms previously sent overseas, and not imports of foreign-origin firearms like Mosins. And the private entity thing seems fairly clear, and would not include the CMP, which is a congressionally chartered entity.
Then again, the lawlessness suffusing the country from every angle and level must be remembered - it means anything can mean anything at all, and nothing means anything at all. Courts are legislating, executive agencies are disregarding court orders, agencies are disregarding law and exceeding their authority, Congress only appears periodically to codify lawlessness (amnesty and continuing resolutions as a replacement for budgets and appropriations bills), and so on.
So maybe I'll pick up that 5-pack of Mosins I was mulling (originally just to see if I could get a nice Tula ex-dragoon to replace mine that has a chamber burr) as a speculative investment.
Oh - but most impressive is, of course, that none of this has anything to do, whatsoever, with crime on the streets. Obviously. Is this the best index of a dead civic culture and dumbed-down society - firearms completely unrelated to any problem being the target of new policies? Or would it be taking a health care system ravaged mostly by the disconnect of consumers and prices and reinforcing and completing that disconnect as opposed to ending it by reintroducing normal cost discipline?
Well, better focus on my Mosin decision while we let that set of deep questions ferment ....
This would seem - seem - to mean that the target of the new EO would be US-origin firearms previously sent overseas, and not imports of foreign-origin firearms like Mosins. And the private entity thing seems fairly clear, and would not include the CMP, which is a congressionally chartered entity.
Then again, the lawlessness suffusing the country from every angle and level must be remembered - it means anything can mean anything at all, and nothing means anything at all. Courts are legislating, executive agencies are disregarding court orders, agencies are disregarding law and exceeding their authority, Congress only appears periodically to codify lawlessness (amnesty and continuing resolutions as a replacement for budgets and appropriations bills), and so on.
So maybe I'll pick up that 5-pack of Mosins I was mulling (originally just to see if I could get a nice Tula ex-dragoon to replace mine that has a chamber burr) as a speculative investment.
Oh - but most impressive is, of course, that none of this has anything to do, whatsoever, with crime on the streets. Obviously. Is this the best index of a dead civic culture and dumbed-down society - firearms completely unrelated to any problem being the target of new policies? Or would it be taking a health care system ravaged mostly by the disconnect of consumers and prices and reinforcing and completing that disconnect as opposed to ending it by reintroducing normal cost discipline?
Well, better focus on my Mosin decision while we let that set of deep questions ferment ....
No it is not. It means people that go through the extra steps to create a good trust so they can do things like add family no longer can.
The wife, the kids, every person will need to go through the several month wait and NFA process to be on the trust, or it is possible this does away with new trusts altogether meaning one owner alone can legally use the firearms and wife etc cannot shoot or possess them without the actual owner present.
All the other guns may be shared, but that silencer sitting in the gun safe probably means the wife is not even supposed to have access to the safe when the husband is away.
And with actual businesses and corporations with company weapons it could really be an issue. Not particularly common, but if they have say suppressors on some guns, no longer can employees use them.
Well according to this action it applies to things previously used by the military, since we already cannot own military surplus rifles from the m14 of 1959 onwards on account of select fire becoming the world standard from prior to that point. Clinton had most USGI 1911s destroyed because they were civilian legal and could at some point go to civilians (along with M14s) and put an end to the then possibility of m14s being converted to semi auto only and going to civilians.
So this clearly is meant to target arms prior to that, like the Garand, M1 Carbine, and others that would be civilian legal.
Semi auto foreign made military surplus rifles are already restricted by things like 922r.
Since the US lends a lot of its old inventory this could cover a large portion of those that exist.
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Elm Creek Smith
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Swiss K31's are not affected. Those deadly, evil M-1 Garands and M-1 Carbines will be kept out of the country, by God! This is just another meaningless gesture by a President who ignored the fact that we have a criminal gang problem.
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USSR
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1. The CMP is Federally Chartered (i.e. established by Congress).
2. They re-import nothing.
3. They receive their rifles from the government (U.S. Army).
4. The countries that received U.S. rifles on loan from the U.S. (not those who bought them outright) are required to return them to the U.S. Army.
5. The U.S. Army is required by Congress to turn these returned rifles over to the CMP.
Don
The US Army, whom the CMP receives their rifles from, is not a foreign country.
LubeckTech
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What is he banning from import anyway??
I was of the understanding the state department was preventing the importation of the Korean Garands and M1 carbines. Most of the surplus military arms being imported these days were all foreign military issued so what does that leave to ban?
The only thing I can currently think of would be stuff that was part of the WWII Lend-Lease programs like S&W Victory model revolvers and .303 Enfield rifles both of which are the weapons of choice in divve by shootings and bank roberies!!
I was of the understanding the state department was preventing the importation of the Korean Garands and M1 carbines. Most of the surplus military arms being imported these days were all foreign military issued so what does that leave to ban?
The only thing I can currently think of would be stuff that was part of the WWII Lend-Lease programs like S&W Victory model revolvers and .303 Enfield rifles both of which are the weapons of choice in divve by shootings and bank roberies!!
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Cump
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That may be what they think, but among my friends and acquaintances here in the west there are a number of gun owners that have traditionally voted for Democrats who will not in the future, or at least be more selective. Hope this is true across rural America.
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