New Executive Actions?

[Akita1]

So much for my "yay no pics or fingerprint cards" when I send in Form 1 or 4...

 

[Fryerpower]

1. The CMP is Federally Chartered (i.e. established by Congress).
2. They re-import nothing.
3. They receive their rifles from the government (U.S. Army).
4. The countries that received U.S. rifles on loan from the U.S. (not those who bought them outright) are required to return them to the U.S. Army.
5. The U.S. Army is required by Congress to turn these returned rifles over to the CMP.

Don

Excellent and clear answer. Thanks Don!

Jim

 

[AABEN]

I thought that the gun's was bought by are TAX money so they should be are's. He was not even thought about at that time. Looks like are elected people could make a big deal out of that!!

 

[Deer_Freak]

CMP is not funded by the government any longer. Right now Crosman runs CMP. I don't know if there is a law that CMP must be supplied with rifles.

 

[ol' scratch]

Orest said from what he read it will have no impact on the CMP.

I just read the response from Orest on a thread on the CMP Forum. So as others have said it is a suggestion to end the importation of US made firearms from private companies.

 

[Justin]

This has nothing whatsoever to do with crime or violence.

This is a transparent action designed to antagonize law-abiding gun owners because we refused to accept UBCs, magazine bans, and NFA registration of military-looking guns.

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[Torian]

Keeping Surplus Military Weapons Off Our Streets
· When the United States provides military firearms to its allies, either as direct commercial sales or through the foreign military sales or military assistance programs, those firearms may not be imported back into the United States without U.S. government approval. Since 2005, the U.S. Government has authorized requests to reimport more than 250,000 of these firearms.
· Today, the Administration is announcing a new policy of denying requests to bring military-grade firearms back into the United States to private entities, with only a few exceptions such as for museums. This new policy will help keep military-grade firearms off our streets.

I'm not grasping what he is saying here. Is he saying machine guns and other fully automatic weapons often take casual strolls down the street? The only military weapons I know of are current production select fire or fully automatic...and those are already unavailable to the public.

One would think the Office of the Press Secretary could use verbiage that would at least sound somewhat professional, and not straight out of a Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence manual.

It doesn't stop us from buying the exact same weapon system either if it has already been imported or produced domestically.

The one thing I can see happening here is increased prices now that we have a smaller pool of firearms to purchase from. Simply put, this is planned targeting and harassment of gun owners.

 

[ol' scratch]

This has nothing whatsoever to do with crime or violence.

This is a transparent action designed to antagonize law-abiding gun owners because we refused to accept UBCs, magazine bans, and NFA registration of military-looking guns.

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This ^^, but also to confuse the public further into believing he is actually doing something.

 

[kwguy]

So, it's the RE importation of firearms that we have previously exported? Am I reading that right?

 

[Queen_of_Thunder]

Military Grade. Check this out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_pistol#Issue_by_nation

 

[PavePusher]

I had thought that the people listed on an NFA Trust already got a background check. Is that not the case?

 

[kwguy]

Nope, I don't believe so.

 

[AKElroy]

This was just posted on the Daily Caller regarding the CMP under the heading "Obama's new executive order will kill the 110-year-old Civilian Marksmanship Program"

"By Mike Piccione
Published: August 29, 2013 4:12 PM

The White House announced on Thursday that it intends to “ban almost all re-imports of military surplus firearms to private entities” through executive order, which would effectively shut down the 110-year-old Civilian Marksmanship Program.

In a Fact Sheet published on Whitehouse.gov today referencing the upcoming executive order the ban on importing military weapons is designed to “keep military-grade firearms off our streets.” Exceptions for import may be allowed for museums.

The CMP tightly controls the importation of obsolete military weapons. The program was created by the U.S. Congress as part of the 1903 War Department Appropriations Act with the purpose of allowing civilians to hone their marksmanship skills, should they later be called into military service.

Participants receiving firearms through the CMP must comply with all state and federal firearm laws and undergo a background check conducted by a dealer holding a Federal Firearms License in order to receive the gun.

Additionally, they must also be a member of a CMP affiliated shooting club, making participating in the program more difficult than anyone trying to purchase a firearm through usual retail channels.

The Civilian Marksmanship Program was administered by the United States Army from 1916 through 1996 when it was changed to the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice & Firearms Safety, a 501(c) (3) organization federally chartered by the U.S. Congress.

There are no data indicating any of the weapons involved in homicide were imported surplus military rifles. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s homicide crime statistics, rifles accounted for only 323 deaths out of 12,664 homicides in 2011, the most recent data set provided by the FBI.

“Apart from a donation of surplus .22 and .30 caliber rifles in the Army's inventory to the CMP, the CMP receives no federal funding,” the CMP website states, adding that they have been overwhelmed by requests and orders are taking 30-60 days to ship product.

The rifles that the Executive Order would affect are typically from U.S. allies and are pre-Vietnam era. Without the importation of these rifles, the CMP is likely to become defunct and thus destroying a 110 year tradition of saving military arms and their civilian ownership."

 

[seaboss]

OK, we get it. Chairman Maobamma is a far left loon who hates guns. Most girly men do.
For the legal people out there, and I apologize if this has been posted before. I didn't read through all the posts.

Do we, as citizens of this great nation, or congress have any recourse to these ridiculous EO's, or do we have to wait until a true patriot is sitting in the White House?

Thank you.

 

[Ash]

If the Army facilitates the importation (return) of arms, passing them through to the CMP, a private corporation, does it not still cause the importation of an arm to a private entity?

 

[Ignition Override]

Taking last winter's panic and the consequent cooling off period into account, would this imminent Exec. Order stimulate only a very modest run on imported Ammo?

Even though the proposed EO only focuses on old obsolete imported rifles, should there be no connection with ammo in the eyes of the public?

 

[Deer_Freak]

Over the years the emphasis of the program shifted to focus on youth development through marksmanship. From 1916 until 1996 the CMP was administered by the U.S. Army. Title XVI of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1996 (Public Law 104-106, 10 February 1996) created the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice & Firearms Safety (CPRPFS) to take over administration and promotion of the CMP.[2] The CPRPFS is a tax-exempt non-profit 501(c)(3) corporation chartered by the U.S. Congress, but is not an agency of the U.S. government (Title 36, United States Code, Section 40701 et seq.). Apart from a donation of surplus .22 and .30 caliber rifles in the Army's inventory to the CMP, the CMP receives no federal funding.

Crossman is the main supporter of CMP. Crosman provides the Daisy Avanti air rifles used for junior competitions.

http://www.odcmp.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Marksmanship_Program

 

[YZ]

Define "Military-Grade". Does it include anything that was once military or just stuff currently in use?

Not gonna happen. A vague term leaves more room for interpretation and enforcement.

 

[splithoof]

Can a future president reverse executive orders as he pleases? If so, has this been done in the past with regards to firearms/ammunition?

 

[tepin]

Felons are forming a Trust and spending $200 to register each NFA item and waiting 6 months for a stamp? REALLY?

Non-NFA & NFA items bought through an FFL also get processed on a 4473 and NICS checked.

Another lie to the American public.

 

[alsaqr]

Can a future president reverse executive orders as he pleases?

Yes. However, there are no executive orders pertaining to the importation of guns. i believe that BATFE decisions banning certain guns from import under the "sporting purposes" clause of the GCA 1968 becomes codified in US law. Not sure that can be changed without an act of congress.

 

[Outlaw Man]

Do we, as citizens of this great nation, or congress have any recourse to these ridiculous EO's, or do we have to wait until a true patriot is sitting in the White House?

Congress can overturn an Executive Order.

To my knowledge, they never have.

 

[Armymutt]

I think the last notable use of the M1 Garand for criminal action was at Kent State in May 1970.

 

[Mot45acp]

What does this mean for people with items already on a trust?

 

[Pilot]

I think the last notable use of the M1 Garand for criminal action was at Kent State in May 1970.

Really? The Ohio National Guard? I don't think so.