New Jersey looks to ban big bore muzzleloaders!

[Balog]

I got this from an e-mail from the North American Hunting Club.

TRENTON, NJ—A New Jersey legislator has introduced a bill that would ban the use of .50 caliber and larger muzzleloaders.

The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance (USSA) says Democratic Assemblywoman Loretta Weinberg is attempting to sneak Assembly Bill 3942 (AB 3942) through during the final days of the legislative session. The bill revises the definition of prohibited "destructive devices" to include muzzleloaders of .50 caliber or larger. Under the bill, muzzleloaders are listed in the same section of law as Molotov cocktails and self-propelled rockets.

In an effort to pacify muzzleloader owners, the USSA says Weinberg added a grandfather clause to the bill, allowing current muzzleloader owners to continue to use them.

New Jersey sportsmen should contact their assembly members and ask them to oppose AB 3942. To contact your assembly member, call (800) 792-8630.

 

[AZRickD]

She goofed.

She tipped the gun-banner's hand.

This should be sent to hunters (golfers with guns) all over the country so they will learn that they are not immune and are, indeed, a target.

Rick

 

[Balog]

I really got a kick out of the part that listed them alongside Molotov's and RPGs. I wonder if even this could wake up the hunters?

 

[Standing Wolf]

Making .50 caliber muzzle loaders illegal will sure take a bite out of crime in New Jersey.

 

[standingbear]

im on a roll here..all fired up now.whats next compound bows,crossbows..sticks-n-stones?The people that sponser this crap really need to sit down and take a good -sobering look at history.The antigunners are going to keep flooding the senates with crap- more and more as the AWban conclusion comes back up for vote.

 

[rdbrowning]

You would think that in an area with as rich of a history of the Revolution as NJ that people would remember their high school lessons a bit better. Maybe they were never taught that it was mostly 50 - 75 caliber muzzle loader that won this country it's independce.:banghead:

 

[Mark Tyson]

Maybe they were never taught that it was mostly 50 - 75 caliber muzzle loader that won this country it's independce

Maybe that's why they want to ban them.

Someone please send a copy of this law to every hunter, skeet shooter and black powder enthusiast in the country.

edited for spelling

 

[GigaBuist]

Links

In HTML format:
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2002/Bills/A3500/3942_R1.HTM

In PDF format:
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2002/Bills/A3500/3942_R1.PDF

The URLs make it look like a 2002 bill, but it's not. It was announced Dec 11, 2003.

Here's the page that gave me the links:
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/bills/BillsByNumber.asp?BillNumber=3942

... I had do a little monkeying around with that last URL to make it work right. Don't know if there's any HTTP session issues with it or not.

 

[P95Carry]

Quite incredible .......

yep ... this'll sort out those homicides and general crime figures for sure.:banghead:

 

[Baba Louie]

Wait till someone figures out the caliber equivalent of a 20 or 12 ga.
Oh. My. God. LORETTA!

 

[Nightfall]

Yes, send this to every 'they don't really want them all, just the crime guns' reasonable gun control person you know. Show them that they're after every last gun, be it the .50 cal belt-fed down to the bright colored squirt gun. It'll never end. Ever.

 

[deanf]

why?

 

[standingbear]

because they are a bunch of gun grabbing morons.because they want to be the only ones to decide whats best for everyone.because they are powerhungry and attention deprived waaaaa babies.

 

[WonderNine]

Making .50 caliber muzzle loaders illegal will sure take a bite out of crime in New Jersey.

Well you haven't seen any drive-by bayonetings since the AWB passed....have you?

 

[Cool Hand Luke 22:36]

rdbrowning wrote:

You would think that in an area with as rich of a history of the Revolution as NJ that people would remember their high school lessons a bit better. Maybe they were never taught that it was mostly 50 - 75 caliber muzzle loader that won this country it's independce

It's sickening to see how far down people in this country have sunk. The weapons used to win our independence now outlawed by people who don't have a clue about any of it.

Or maybe the NJ legislature intends this as a symbolic blow against the 2nd Amendment by banning the weapons that were used to enable the writing of the US Constitution that once included it.

Sick, truely sick. And some arrogant grandees on the SCOTUS like Ginzberg and O'Connor make it all possible.

 

[jimpeel]

standingbear

whats next compound bows,crossbows..sticks-n-stones?

Only sticks and stones over 1/2 inch in diameter.

 

[Bill Hook]

It's official - PRNJ is the worst sh--hole in the 50 states.

Ask your congressman to enact legislation to make NJ a nuclear and toxic waste repository.

 

[jimpeel]

Wait till someone figures out the caliber equivalent of a 20 or 12 ga.
Oh. My. God. LORETTA!

A 20 ga shotgun barrel is .60 caliber

The law excludes shotguns, however.

... except a shotgun or shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes; ...

 

[PeteyPete]

It's official - PRNJ is the worst sh--hole in the 50 states.

Ask your congressman to enact legislation to make NJ a nuclear and toxic waste repository.

As a NJ resident..i'd support this legislation. Once I get the chance, i'm moving to Texas.

 

[Jim March]

You see, the issue here is that the New Jersey legislature wants to maintain an absolute monopoly on being Big Bores.



(Variation on a California joke as to why ferrets are still banned: the legislature wants to maintain a monopoly on weaselliness.)

 

[geekWithA.45]

Ah, Loretta Wienberg....our very own Fienstien wannabe. What's the expression? Teacup tyrant?

IIRC, she was one of the sponsors of the odious "smart" gun law.


As I understand it, the actual target of this redefinition of destructive device is the .50 bmg, but what the hell, lets take out muzzle loaders and the .50 ae while we're at it.

OHH! Don't worry! We'll put in a grandfather clause!

Well, this might get the ANJRPC to line up with them, but this is the SAME pattern that has followed every other bill in this god forsaken places since 1966.

The mantra of _most_ (but not all) of the progun groups in this state has been "additional legislation is innevitable, so lets get on board and try to control if from within". What do they get for their effort? Some bizarre and very narrow exemption that is predicated on phases of the moon.

All I can say about NJ is:

Most of the gunowners stayed in bed last election, and they've missed their chance to throw the bums out. They soundly re-elected their gun bigots, and handed them majorities of both houses.

The window of change for the next couple of years is now closed, the bigots have free reign to run amok, and NJ will be collecting their rewards for an extra hour sleep for decades.

The few remaining guys of decency and valor who are willing to step up to the plate here are vastly and hopelessly outnumbered.

 

[AnklePocket]

It already is a toxic waste repository. If interested, do a search on "GEMS Landfill". Our esteemed county officials want to save money by running radioactive water through our sewer system to the treatment plant and out the Delaware River rather than treat the water on-site, siting acceptable levels of cancer producing toxins. No wonder they want us unarmed.

 

[Ky Larry]

All I can say is "***?"

 

[nico]

I'd love to see one of the morons who supports this bill try to give a list of crimes commited with muzzle loaders, or explain how a muzzle loader is more dangerous than the typical hunting rifle.

 

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

It's .50 caliber...it MUST be destructive