Maybe I'm not too bright (I've been accused of it before, and sometimes, it's true ), but doesn't the spent brass eject from the top, and right about where your face would be if using a scope? I'm obviously missing something here.Can anybody tell me why I'm wrong (as I have to be, no mfg. would be that dull)? Otherwise, if the price is much lower than the estimates at this point, or I can find a used one later on for much cheaper, I think it's VERY sweet, and I've never cared for the look of any other bullpups I've seen before.
Spent brass gets shoved out through a tube and ejects straight forward right above the barrel. If it works, it's about the only location it should be impossible to get hit by your own brass.
I a little skeptical on the ejection meathod, it seems like it would be prone to jams (especially after the rifle gets hot and dirty). I would definately want to see how it preforms in a torture test before I would spend $2k on it.
I like the design, but I'd rather have one in .223 that uses AR mags. I've already invested quite a bit of money in .223 ammo and AR mags, and .308 is just so darn expensive. I'll bet that if they made one in .223 it would be cheaper than the .308 version, and lighter too.
That same style of ejection is being used on a couple other newish rifles being produced for (future) military use. I have no idea how they've done in testing but it isn't totally "unproven".
With several platforms around, the kinks should be able to be worked out easily enough.
In some ways the ejection is mechanism is already a proven technology. It's not unlike the mechanism of a belt fed machinegun where the round is pulled rearward out of the belt and then fed forward into the chamber, but instead the kel-tec pulls the round out of the chamber and feeds it forward into the ejection chute.
Its all fun and games until you are walking though the streets of Sadr City and you have to shoot a terrorist off a roof that is directly above you... HOT BRASS SHOWER!
I am a little bit concerned about the ejection method though, but if it works it will look really cool. Hopefully it won't chip finish off the barrel.
If I had to guess what KT was thinking, I would imagine that a .308 SU-16 would probably not sell too well, because it would have to compete directly with a bunch of popular and proven rifles - the M1A, PTR-91, AR-10, Saiga, and FAL. By making it a bullpup, though, they can move into an untapped market niche.
I'll be buying one, I expect, unless the design flops for some unexpected reason. Slap on a 1-5x scope on that rail, and you've got a rifle so cool it send shivers down my spine.
Guys, this rifle won't just be the only .308 bullpup in the US; as far as I know, it'll be the only such rifle in production in the world. The only other .308 bullpup I can think of off the top of my head is the bullpup-conversion of the M14 the Israelis used to use, and converting an existing rifle to bullpup is always an iffy proposition.
I was intrested until I seen the price....way to much for anyting with Kel Tec stamped on it. I'de perfer if Kel Tec made the SU reliable(lots of ejection issues) and with a pistol grip.
Wow... a 24" barrel .308 semi-auto that takes FAL mags AND is as small as a 16" AR Carbine with the stock collapsed? That is amazing... and the 18" is even smaller still (by 6").
One problem I can see is how do you do stoppage drills if there is a feed problem?
Darn you all!! There are already enough Kel-Tec guns on my wish list, and now I have to add one more. I have a disease, and it's getting worse!
I've never been a Kel-Tec basher. I think they're the most innovative firearms company today, and they're American to boot. They make some of the best, lightest, most compact guns around. From the folding Sub2000 & SU-16 to the pocket P32 & P3AT to this new bullpup. I'm really impressed with Kel-Tec. Period. I won't be able to afford the bullpup at those prices, but eventually....
It reminds me of that walther sniper rifle bullpup with the wooden stock. Man what a great looking rifle, I would make one for long range. B/c Kel-tec is known for great value, I doubt it will be in the $1200-$1400 range. I hope another ban isnt in place for 2008, I would love to get my hands on one of this babies
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