New (To Me) "Fantasy" Pistol

[expat_alaska]

Found this on GB. Appears to me to be an 1862 Pocket Police with a .36 cal. fluted, rebated 5-shot cylinder. Round 1860's type round barrel but no load lever and no dovetail for the latch at the underside muzzle end. Blued trigger.

Seller says it is a:

Colt 1862 Trapper #F1505. Signature Series (3rd Gen??)

and caliber unknown (I find that hard to believe).

Many pictures offered. IMO, this is a Fantasy pistol, but: I did not think Colt, even with the 3rd gen, produced anything other than historical replicas.

Maybe I am naïve. Opinions , please.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=530870849

Jim

 

[Old Fuff]

No, Colt did indeed make a revolver like this, but in limited numbers. They were .36 caliber/5-shots. An example (serial No. 4160) 3 1/2" barrel, used to be in the Colt Co. Historical Collection. Estimated production 50 more-or less. I doubt the 3rd. generation numbers were much different.

 

[Fingers McGee]

The .36 Caliber 5 shot F1505 1862 Pocket Police Trapper Model is a Signature Series Colt Blackpowder pistol that was made between 1996 and 2002. Final MSRP was $675.00. Quantity made is unknown.

 

[TruthTellers]

Uberti makes a spare 3.5" barrel for their 1862 pocket police revolver, but it has a small, stubby loading lever. I've already made plans to buy that barrel and a 6.5" pocket police after the tax return next year.

 

[Steve's 44cal]

I have two of the Uberti 1862 pocket police 6.5 I think they are so cool..baby 1860s

 

[Ephraim Kibbey]

From Black Powder Revolvers - Reproductions & Replicas by Dennis Adler, 2008, pg. 31:

Model 1862 Trapper, Revolver, No loading lever, 5-shot semi-fluted cylinder, 3 1/2 Round barrel, Silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, N.Y. address, "Sam Colt" signature engraved on backstrap. Comes with brass ramrod. Introduced in 1995.

Pictures pg. 32 bottom right and pg. 36 bottom left.

From picture caption on pg. 36:

...The 1862 Trapper was only produced for a few months allowing a mere 50 originals to be built. Both 3rd Generation Colts (1849 and Trapper) are true to the original designs.

The above 50 may have just been the original run because the Fourth Edition (2004) Blue Book of Modern Black Powder Arms by Allen and Adler says production was discontinued in 2002 and lists the value of a 100% specimen at $550. It also gives the caliber as .36 and MSRP of $675.

 

[Berkley]

The number 50 refers to original 1862 production, of which (as Old Fuff said) one was in Sam Colt's personal collection.

-The Arms Collection of Colonel Colt, R.L.Wilson

 

[expat_alaska]

I sure am glad that I frequent this forum: you all are a wealth of info.

I see I have a few more books to acquire.

Thanks to all!

Jim

 

[PainlessWolf]

Good morning,
The Seller appears to be the same fellow who sold me the Colt Whitneyville Dragoon I wanted for my birthday earlier this month. He was honest about the condition of the revolver and shipped quickly and safely. This gun looks beautiful and rare and would make either a very nice keepsake or a sweet belt pistol for out and about.
regards!

 

[Fingers McGee]

The above 50 may have just been the original run because the Fourth Edition (2004) Blue Book of Modern Black Powder Arms by Allen and Adler says production was discontinued in 2002 and lists the value of a 100% specimen at $550. It also gives the caliber as .36 and MSRP of $675.

8th Edition Blue Book (2013) has 100% value of $650

 

[4v50 Gary]

That is an outstanding polishing job.

 

[Crawdad1]

I have two of the Uberti 1862 pocket police 6.5 I think they are so cool..baby 1860s

Perfect 36 calibers, weight wise, handling and balance. I think they're more accurate with the 6.5 inch barrel also.

 

[StrawHat]

The number 50 refers to original 1862 production, of which (as Old Fuff said) one was in Sam Colt's personal collection.

I thought Sam died before this model was produced. Happy to learn something new.

Kevin

 

[kBob]

Well the loading lever is right there! Sort of.. that brass plunger is the device used to load the cylinder on the gun with.

I am still trying to figure out how to use that sort of ram on a revolver without ever letting my head get between the muzzle and the heavens.......

-kBob

 

[Old Fuff]

Personally, If I had one I'd use a bench tool to load the cylinder.

 

[Ephraim Kibbey]

One of the wooden loading stands works well both with an attached loading lever or a separate one kbob. Either way it is a good idea to keep your head away from the business end!!!

 

[Fingers McGee]

Use of the loading tool is relatively simple. Place desired amount of powder in one chamber, Place ball on chambering opening, insert tool into frame opening and seat on top of ball, then, seat the ball on the powder by pushing the loading tool against a post, wall, tree, table, or some other immovable object until the ball is seated on the powder.

Unfortunately I do not own one of these trappers - or belly guns that Pietta made a few years ago - with the loading tool; or, I'd take some pictures or vid of the method.

 

[LonesomePigeon]

Painless Wolf, is this the one you bought?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=528415712

If so, congratulations. The case colors look exceptional.

 

[Eric N.]

That is not a Whitneyville. That is a nice gun.

 

[PainlessWolf]

Lonesome Pigeon,
Good morning, sir, As noted, that's a beautiful revolver but not mine. Here are links to mine from 'The THR Walker Club' here, earlier this year:
regards!

P.S.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=213974&d=1442091442
and
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=213973&d=1442091442
and
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=213975&d=1442091469