Norco, CA house fire; "Evil" ammo cache found

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was the guy out when the FF arrived? Or was he fighting the fire?
A little story here- a friend was drying an old jacket when it tipped over onto a space heater. He smelled smoke - he immediately had his daughter call 911, his wife go and get the hose, and he and his son hosed the fire. as it was raging in another room they were pouring water on it from the door. the fire dept told them get out- leave the house. BS- his wife said- there is no way he is going to stand out side and watch it burn. When the FD showed up 30 min. later, the fire was mostly out. He had saved a handmade house that he had put 10 years into. Sometimes it pays to ignore the authorities. Risky? Sure. Life is risk.
 
Update: sad ending...

http://origin.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_5536247

Deal taken in weapons case

Norco man who kept stockpile pleads guilty, could get 2 years
By Andrea Bennett, Staff Writer
Article Launched: 03/27/2007 11:21:12 PM PDT

A Norco man who police said kept more than 70 pounds of black gunpowder, 110 guns and more than 1million rounds of ammunition in his home pleaded guilty Tuesday to three of the five charges against him.

Thomas McKiernan, 62, admitted to possession of explosives, possession of an assault weapon and resisting arrest.

He faces a sentence ranging from probation to two years in prison when he returns to Riverside Superior Court on April 24.

Deputy District Attorney Michael Mayman said two additional charges of possession of assault weapons were dismissed as part of a plea bargain. Three assault weapons reportedly were found at McKiernan's home.

"His main crime was improperly storing volatile materials," Mayman said.

Investigators found the explosives and guns after McKiernan's house on Pali Drive caught fire March 1. They also found a 25-foot-long tunnel stocked with what was later reported to be barrels of food and water.

Authorities initially arrested him because he wrestled with firefighters as they tried to keep him out of his burning house.

He was later booked into the Robert Presley Detention Center in Riverside in lieu of $100,000 bail.

The possession-of-explosives charge to which McKiernan pleaded guilty Tuesday is a felony. The weapons-possession and resisting-arrest counts are misdemeanors.

Mayman said a person can legally possess only one pound of black powder in Riverside County. McKiernan reportedly had more than 70 pounds in his possession.

The county allows 20 pounds of smokeless powder, but McKiernan reportedly had about 116.

The prosecutor said illegal storage of the powder is dangerous because it can explode in a confined space. McKiernan's powder will be destroyed as hazardous waste.

Mayman said he was comfortable dismissing two of the illegal-weapons possession counts because McKiernan appears to be a gun enthusiast whose collection had fallen out of compliance as state gun laws evolved.

McKiernan had three Chinese-made SKS weapons - the only ones in his collection of 110 guns that required permits - that were classified as assault weapons after a California ban in 2000, Mayman said.

"He owned them prior to the law going into effect, and he didn't think they classified as assault weapons, so he didn't register them," Mayman said. "That's why we charged him with a misdemeanor, not a felony. This is not a guy who blatantly smuggled them into California knowing they were illegal."

Still, McKiernan's assault weapons will be destroyed, he said.
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Mayman said he has received several calls from people contending McKiernan is being persecuted for merely being a gun collector.

But Mayman emphasized the guns were not the problem.

"A lot of these weapons he had were collector's items, like Garand weapons from World War II in mint condition. So, this was not an armory," he said. "But we didn't prosecute him for having a gun collection. We prosecuted him for storing volatile materials."

Michael Cernyar, McKiernan's attorney, said his client has received a lot of support from the Norco community.

"He appreciates that support, and it's picked up his confidence," Cernyar said. "At this point, he just wants to move on with his life. ... In a little less than a week, he lost his house, was placed in jail for the first time in his life, and he lost a lot of his memorables."

McKiernan's house was condemned after the fire.

Cernyar said he does not know what McKiernan will do after his home of 32 years is razed.
 
"So you committed three identical crimes for which we acknowledge you had no intent..so we're going to randomly drop charges for two of them. Tough luck on that third."

??? Gee, thanks.
 
I wasnt aware the chinese SKS was an assualt weapon. This guy will never be able to touch a firearm again. Alot of guys here think they can claim ignorance and get out of trouble with the law, Ill have to bring up this case.
 
He got a misdemeanor for the weapons charges. But, a FELONY for (according to the media) over ONE POUND of black powder. :what:

I have looked high and low, the law he was charged with being in violation of was HS 12305, the way I read it, it talks about needing a permit to import or manufacturer destructive devices. It does not metion amounts of black powder allowed.

The authorities got what they wanted. This crazy suvivalist won't be able to touch firearms again. (every time the case is metioned an extra emphasis is put on the tunnel he had food stored in).
 
wow...this is truly sad. under the right [or wrong] set of circumstances, this could easily have been many of us on this site. i don't have black powder at my house, but i also would feel comfortable with it if i did. for that to be a felony just seems wrong to me.

thank god i live in texas. not that everything's perfect, but we git a little more wiggle room than we would in California.
 
I have looked high and low, the law he was charged with being in violation of was HS 12305, the way I read it, it talks about needing a permit to import or manufacturer destructive devices. It does not metion amounts of black powder allowed.

Read the article again. It says it's a county thing which is odd.

I didn't know county ordinances could be felonies :scrutiny:
 
Look at hazardous material laws and stuff like that maybe, or state fire codes.

It may not be anything related to firearms.

May be buried in with pesticides or something else, there's no telling.

I hope you find it, I'd be curious to see exactly what is there so I can search for similar in my state, just to see what is "allowed"
 
I don't have a link, and I am not a lawyer, but I have a friend in pyrotechnics. The only thing he has been able to find is in the state fire codes. IIRC, I think the limit might be something like 10 lbs of blackpowder, 10,000 primers and 20 lbs of smokeless - but no penalties mentioned. Over those amounts takes special storage. Things like 1 inch thick wood box that would easily come apart from internal pressure.
 
Juna: "illegal assault weapons" (i.e. anything but a squirt gun in California)
Come on now Juna, you can’t have squirt guns in the PRK! You might load it with some sort of “assault chemical”! Thank God I now live in Texas. I had the misfortune of living in the PRK for ten years. And a pi$$-hole it is, too.
 
Elza,
Thanks for leaving!!! Housing prices are way too high here and I wish more people thought like you.
 
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