NY Gun Law....Weapons Affected.
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zonzin
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You New Yorkers are so screwed. Sad day. Let’s hope the rest of the Socialist states don’t follow.
ID-shooting
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The big one, notice Ruger is not anywhere on the list.
22-rimfire
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I don't see the Mini 14. The SKS would be similar unless it has more than one military characteristics. Didn't see any 22's, but will have to wait until things get fleshed out a bit. I don't believe the law exempts 22LR caliber rifles.
Ruger is listed as Strum Ruger.
Ruger is listed as Strum Ruger.
Ohio Gun Guy
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I'm In Ohio but it doesnt matter, this can't stand! 
Just read the list and the line about registering them within a year.
It's been feared, but it's surreal to read it. This is a tipping point IMO. We / all of us have to get this defeated! This is a foot in the water toward national registration and eventually confiscation!
Just read the list and the line about registering them within a year. It's been feared, but it's surreal to read it. This is a tipping point IMO. We / all of us have to get this defeated! This is a foot in the water toward national registration and eventually confiscation!
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jobu07
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Trent,
You missed the catch all phrase. If it isn't on the list te state police will consider it banned anyway. This effectively took the power out of the hands of te extremely liberal legislature and gave it all to the executive branch of state to government. Whatever king cuomo's appointed superintendent of state police decides is banned is banned.
I wish the semi belt Feds were still legal.
You missed the catch all phrase. If it isn't on the list te state police will consider it banned anyway. This effectively took the power out of the hands of te extremely liberal legislature and gave it all to the executive branch of state to government. Whatever king cuomo's appointed superintendent of state police decides is banned is banned.
I wish the semi belt Feds were still legal.
BobTheTomato
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Saiga wasn't listed in the Ak's. Are they already banned there?
I'm curious, where are they going to put all you people if not a single person acknowledges the unconstitutional laws? From what I keep hearing, there's arms and legs sticking out between the bars in every prison due to overcrowding.
Curator
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Sometimes you get the government you deserve. Sorry honest sportsmen and gun enthusiasts. You live in a a corruptocracy where lying lawyers rule. (excuse my redundancy) When the people vote for bread and circuses its time to leave. Cuomo is a chip off the old block (Mario). A complete hypocrite. Note his "southern preacher" style of oratory designed to stir the emotions of the sycophants and fools. Remember this is the same POS that bullied S&W under the Clinton Administration. N.Y. State is doomed as long as people like him are elected to public office.
sidheshooter
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Aside from the obvious fact that it's a terrible law, it also doesn't look to be a very good law. By that, I mean that there are typos and unanswered questions and holes that amaze me, and I'm no lawyer. I don't know that I'd recommend reading the complete text (that's about 45 min of my life that I'll never get back) but if you did, I doubt you'd be impressed by how it's put together. What a slapped-together rush job.
This is, of course, totally aside from the fact that the premise sucked to begin with.
This is, of course, totally aside from the fact that the premise sucked to begin with.
mikechandler
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Looks like the civil war will be starting right in NY. I think we should all stand shoulder to shoulder and say , HELL NO, COME AND GET THEM! Individually we are nothing.. but together, we are The People. This government derives any power it has from us, and it exists solely because we allow it to be. Our founding fathers saw this, and made sure we could not have our teeth pulled for this very reason. If we allow them to disarm us, they will next take away our freedom of speech, our freedom of religion, and soon we will be vassals living in fear of a tyrannical state. We cannot let this happen.
gbw
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The law is bad, and very harrassing to lawful owners.
But not quite as draconian as first made out, although all ARs, AKs, other types are really gone. I don't see any loopholes.
Seems that all of the 10 rd. mags existing in NY are ok. Just load 7.
They aren't on the list, but M1 Carbines, M1 Garands, and probably many others MAY BE included in the AW definition. Sec. 37:
ASSAULT RIFLE:
(A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:
(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;
(II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION OF THE WEAPON;
(III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;
(IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND;
(V) A BAYONET MOUNT;
(VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;
(VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER
BUT Garands and Carbines may be exemped by the 50 year language. Not clear to me. Certainly a carbine magazine over 10 rds. is not.
Also, if this 50 year business does not clear Garands and Carbines, it's possible that removing the bayonet mount from the Garand or Carbine would then be legal.
In either case, no more than a 10 rd. magazine and then only load with 7 rds.
Also not clear yet if the Garand clip is considered a 'magazine'. It looks like it is exempted in Sec. 38, but IANAL so don't count on it. However, it should be ok anyway since it's capacity is less than 10, if you only load 7 in it .
A Mini-14 standard version with a 10 rd. or lower magazine should be ok. Only load 7.
A Springfield M1A without bayonet lug or flash hider should also be ok with a 7 rd. mag.
The NY law does not count the heat shroud on rifles as a disqualifying feature.
Several posts also worried that .22 pistols, High Standard, Colt, Ruger, S&W would be unusable because no 7-rd mags exist, or are likely to.
As I read the law, these guns and their 10 rd. mags are OK, just don't load more than 7. It WILL be illegal to buy new 10 rd. mags for them, and for the 10/22. But the exsisting 10 rd. mags are ok. Any new mags will have to be 7 or fewer.
Anyhow, that's what I see. Lot's of harrassment to no purpose, getting rid of cosmetic features, accomplishing almost nothing new of any value.
The only way to make any to change any of this is to cause politicians to lose their jobs. That happened in 1994 and it kept this sort of harrassment away for 20 years. It is the only thing that works, the only thing these politicians really give a damn about.
But not quite as draconian as first made out, although all ARs, AKs, other types are really gone. I don't see any loopholes.
Seems that all of the 10 rd. mags existing in NY are ok. Just load 7.
They aren't on the list, but M1 Carbines, M1 Garands, and probably many others MAY BE included in the AW definition. Sec. 37:
ASSAULT RIFLE:
(A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:
(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;
(II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION OF THE WEAPON;
(III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;
(IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND;
(V) A BAYONET MOUNT;
(VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;
(VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER
BUT Garands and Carbines may be exemped by the 50 year language. Not clear to me. Certainly a carbine magazine over 10 rds. is not.
Also, if this 50 year business does not clear Garands and Carbines, it's possible that removing the bayonet mount from the Garand or Carbine would then be legal.
In either case, no more than a 10 rd. magazine and then only load with 7 rds.
Also not clear yet if the Garand clip is considered a 'magazine'. It looks like it is exempted in Sec. 38, but IANAL so don't count on it. However, it should be ok anyway since it's capacity is less than 10, if you only load 7 in it .
A Mini-14 standard version with a 10 rd. or lower magazine should be ok. Only load 7.
A Springfield M1A without bayonet lug or flash hider should also be ok with a 7 rd. mag.
The NY law does not count the heat shroud on rifles as a disqualifying feature.
Several posts also worried that .22 pistols, High Standard, Colt, Ruger, S&W would be unusable because no 7-rd mags exist, or are likely to.
As I read the law, these guns and their 10 rd. mags are OK, just don't load more than 7. It WILL be illegal to buy new 10 rd. mags for them, and for the 10/22. But the exsisting 10 rd. mags are ok. Any new mags will have to be 7 or fewer.
Anyhow, that's what I see. Lot's of harrassment to no purpose, getting rid of cosmetic features, accomplishing almost nothing new of any value.
The only way to make any to change any of this is to cause politicians to lose their jobs. That happened in 1994 and it kept this sort of harrassment away for 20 years. It is the only thing that works, the only thing these politicians really give a damn about.
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Careful, Mike.
The Civil War cost over 600 thousand lives (estimated), and they didn't have the weapons we have today. A modern civil war in a country with this level of technology? Easily tens of millions of casualties.
We aren't there, yet, man. Even if I agree with your sentiment.
The Civil War cost over 600 thousand lives (estimated), and they didn't have the weapons we have today. A modern civil war in a country with this level of technology? Easily tens of millions of casualties.
We aren't there, yet, man. Even if I agree with your sentiment.
TenDriver
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I don't see how the Garand could be effected. The only evil feature being the bayo lug and the digital gymnastics required to load only 7 in a clip. (Maybe load 7 live rounds and a snap cap on top. Snap/rack, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang/PING. Rinse and repeat.
Or.... even better load a blank. I think that would cycle the action.
Best of luck to my brothers in NYS. This Southern boy has spent a lot of time flying around upstate and it's a beautiful place filled with friendly people. You deserve better.
Anyone know what a muzzle break is? I thought it was a muzzle brake. The devil is in the details.
Or.... even better load a blank. I think that would cycle the action.
Best of luck to my brothers in NYS. This Southern boy has spent a lot of time flying around upstate and it's a beautiful place filled with friendly people. You deserve better.
Anyone know what a muzzle break is? I thought it was a muzzle brake. The devil is in the details.
ATBackPackin
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Bayonet Lug
I have a serious question. Does anyone know when, if, the last time someone was murdered with an affixed bayonet? And I mean outside of an actual war.
I have a serious question. Does anyone know when, if, the last time someone was murdered with an affixed bayonet? And I mean outside of an actual war.
At the Top Of That Page, it clearly states that the list is not complete, and that there are other firearms that may meet the definitions. So if its not listed, don't assume that it is "safe" - in NY:
http://troopers.ny.gov/Firearms/NYS_SAFE_Act/
http://troopers.ny.gov/Firearms/NYS_SAFE_Act/
george d dennis
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i wouldnt talk to much about whats not on the list. the anti s are looking at
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