NY Gun Law....Weapons Affected.
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Now all Ruger 10/22s are illegal and all Ruger 22 pistols. A 1911 model 45 is legal. A Bushmaster 223 that wouldn't exit a shot center mass of a criminal is illegal yet a Remington 700 in 30-06 that would exit a couple of people is legal. Who came up with these safe/not safe firearms.
I cant see how the desert eagle is banned, just on weight alone.There is no way this gun is commonly used in a crime, its like carrying a brick, ammo, especially 50ae is too expensive, & the gun is too expensive too.Maybe they banned it because its in every movie,like they did here with the butterfly knife.This is mindboggling.its outragous,these desicions are clear violations of gunowners & citizens rights, as was the way it was bulldozed into law with no say or opposition.
Can't people just convert their AR's to be featureless, like some folks have done in California?
I won't comment on the upper, but I actually like the stock in this article, in comparison to some of the others. (I still think the one feature test is ridiculous)
http://www.guns.com/2012/12/12/thordsen-customs-frs-15-featureless-rifle-stock-for-californian-ars/
I won't comment on the upper, but I actually like the stock in this article, in comparison to some of the others. (I still think the one feature test is ridiculous)
http://www.guns.com/2012/12/12/thordsen-customs-frs-15-featureless-rifle-stock-for-californian-ars/
Claude Clay
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-----------^ Paul, you & me both
Uh... no. the law states: "A SEMIAUTOMATIC VERSION OF AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR FIREARM", or some such nonsense.
An AR with this butt stock would still be a semi automatic version of an AR-15. The REAL question is: how much difference does their have to be before they are considered different guns? Would modifying the receiver in some way make it different?
Heres something in the gun owners favor;In a 2008 ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court seemed to indicate that guns protected by the constitution are those in common use. New York could face a challenge from someone arguing there are probably close to 10 million AR-15 type semi-automatic rifles in common use in the U.S.
Further than that, US vs. Miller ruled that the second amendment protects "arms in common use by the military" - not just "common use", generally.
(They made that flippant remark when ruling that a sawed off 12 gauge does not meet the protection of the 2nd amendment because it's not a type in common use by the military)
(They made that flippant remark when ruling that a sawed off 12 gauge does not meet the protection of the 2nd amendment because it's not a type in common use by the military)
I don't really think that the NY politicians pay any attention to the law when legislating against guns.
It would give the NRA something to take them to court over however...
It would be nice if this nonsense got overturned in the SCOTUS, they need to be told that they can't trample all over the Second Amendment.
It would give the NRA something to take them to court over however...
It would be nice if this nonsense got overturned in the SCOTUS, they need to be told that they can't trample all over the Second Amendment.
With the number of Supreme Court cases out there specifying that the second amendment is:
A) An individual right,
B) applied to the states through the 14th amendment,
C) applies to arms in common us by the military
While the Supreme court never specifically identified a class of weapons, they HAVE only ruled to exclude weapons "not in common use by the military".
A prohibition on military-style rifles in ANY state is unconstitutional.
Period.
This needs challenged.
A) An individual right,
B) applied to the states through the 14th amendment,
C) applies to arms in common us by the military
While the Supreme court never specifically identified a class of weapons, they HAVE only ruled to exclude weapons "not in common use by the military".
A prohibition on military-style rifles in ANY state is unconstitutional.
Period.
This needs challenged.
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Some of the guns on this list are rare & expensive,like the FNC, Galil,Swiss Sig 550; i would bet almost anything that no U.S. civilian has ever been killed with any of these guns;Does anyone know how rare the Sig amt & Sig 57 are? they are almost non existant,& should be in some kind of collector class or something.there should at least be a category that puts rare guns that were limited in this country, no longer imported into a different class.Just trying to find some kind of reason & logic,but look who we're dealing with.
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But in NY state, do they not know who has what firearm by make, model and s/n? They can then make their way to each person of a firearm that WAS legal and is now illegal.
chuck
Isn't it now possible for the State of NY to inspect bound books as part of this law? I thought I remembered reading that in the law, for ammo sellers.
If so, they'll be able to find out exactly WHO bought WHAT, and WHEN, and compare that to their registry.
Kind of a smorgasbord of people to get warrants for, waiting there in those bound books.
"Oh look, Mr. Doe at 123 Patriot Lane bought an AR15 in 2005 at Dicks Sporting Goods, but didn't register it."
If so, they'll be able to find out exactly WHO bought WHAT, and WHEN, and compare that to their registry.
Kind of a smorgasbord of people to get warrants for, waiting there in those bound books.
"Oh look, Mr. Doe at 123 Patriot Lane bought an AR15 in 2005 at Dicks Sporting Goods, but didn't register it."
Oh I am sure they expect a lot of of neighbor tattle tales as well...
Maybe they can put cameras into the homes of those who own firearms too, just to make sure they don't load more than 7 rounds in a magazine.
Question.
Someone who owns a rifle, elects not to register it, and later is "found out" by a neighbor (say a child's friend learns of it, children talk you know).... is the owner then considered mentally unbalanced because he fears his government?
What about affiliation with certain political groups?
The mental health issue, without any defined conditions, appears to be a serious downward spiral.
20 years ago we disciplined children who misbehaved. Now an astonishing amount of them are judged to suffer from some ailment or another, and shoved full of pharmaceuticals.
I worry the same thing is beginning with firearms owners.
Demonize them. Make them paranoid. Declare them mentally incompetent over "delusions", and prohibit them from owning arms.
I'm not far off the mark, I fear. They're already starting the process with social media.
"Why do you need an AR-15?"
"To protect my way of life from a tyrannical Government."
"That rifle is going to protect you when Uncle Sam sends an Apache to knock on your front door? You're delusional and shouldn't be allowed to own firearms."
(I literally heard this argument just last night, arguing with an anti-gunner with the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence organization)
Someone who owns a rifle, elects not to register it, and later is "found out" by a neighbor (say a child's friend learns of it, children talk you know).... is the owner then considered mentally unbalanced because he fears his government?
What about affiliation with certain political groups?
The mental health issue, without any defined conditions, appears to be a serious downward spiral.
20 years ago we disciplined children who misbehaved. Now an astonishing amount of them are judged to suffer from some ailment or another, and shoved full of pharmaceuticals.
I worry the same thing is beginning with firearms owners.
Demonize them. Make them paranoid. Declare them mentally incompetent over "delusions", and prohibit them from owning arms.
I'm not far off the mark, I fear. They're already starting the process with social media.
"Why do you need an AR-15?"
"To protect my way of life from a tyrannical Government."
"That rifle is going to protect you when Uncle Sam sends an Apache to knock on your front door? You're delusional and shouldn't be allowed to own firearms."
(I literally heard this argument just last night, arguing with an anti-gunner with the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence organization)
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In NAZI Germany there were rewards offered for information leading to arrests. Oh yes, there will be lots of tattle-tales.
I really wish that NY gun owners would simply refuse, let their jails overflow, and let it get pushed to the SCOTUS. The whole state could be shut down while they sort it out, if there's enough incarcerated individuals (like a million or more).
If it came to AZ, and I doubt it ever would or could, I would be willing to be jailed for my rights. Because I firmly believe that our 1st amendment rights are hanging by a thin thread -> our right to bear arms. The Socialists know they need to disarm The People in order to fundamentally change our government. It's been written in history time after time after time.
And even still, none of this will stop another mass shooting, because the real problem is gun-free zones; constitutionally prohibited areas that turn citizens into targets for criminals and the insane.
I really wish that NY gun owners would simply refuse, let their jails overflow, and let it get pushed to the SCOTUS. The whole state could be shut down while they sort it out, if there's enough incarcerated individuals (like a million or more).
If it came to AZ, and I doubt it ever would or could, I would be willing to be jailed for my rights. Because I firmly believe that our 1st amendment rights are hanging by a thin thread -> our right to bear arms. The Socialists know they need to disarm The People in order to fundamentally change our government. It's been written in history time after time after time.
And even still, none of this will stop another mass shooting, because the real problem is gun-free zones; constitutionally prohibited areas that turn citizens into targets for criminals and the insane.
MICHAEL T
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The link take you to a page that has now been removed . Guess they want to add more,
Looks like there is a push by gun advocates to refuse to register. Unjust laws should be protested...
http://www.newser.com/story/161344/assault-weapon-advocates-boycott-ny-gun-law.html
http://www.newser.com/story/161344/assault-weapon-advocates-boycott-ny-gun-law.html
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