Obama announces new lame duck "gun control" scheme.

[LKLive13]

I just want to note that the statement that Obummer makes at 5:28 is complete and utter BS. "We know that the STATES WITH THE MOST GUN LAWS tend to have the FEWEST GUN DEATHS". Does he really live in Washington DC or is he over in England somewhere??

 

[lilguy]

"Armed guards protect Senate Democrats as they demand new gun-control laws"

Now they are doing standup.

 

[xxjumbojimboxx]

No foresight, No spine, and absolutely zero respect for our constitution. I am so sick of this "president" of ours.

 

[Rio Laxas]

Of course it would depend on the wording. If it is simply a tack-on to the existing, to wit "...engaged in the business of dealing firearms, exempting anyone who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms ...unless the total sold exceeds 50 firearms per year" then it would measurably inconvenience a few folks.

If it is merely a restatement of the definition to be, "...engaged in the business, defined as selling more than 50 firearms in a year" then that would allow a certain degree of relief to those who get mighty nervous about selling a few guns now and then, but who knew they could always be painted with the charge of dealing because the law is so vague.

Could they do either of those things without legislation amending 18 USC 921 (a)(21)?

(21) The term “engaged in the business” means—

(C) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section 921(a)(11)(A), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms;

I guess I could see an executive order claiming that "a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms" means anyone who sells more than 50 guns a year, but wouldn't it still have to exempt "a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms."

To repeat the criticism made by the NRA in the article, couldn't it cause trouble for people trying to liquidate an estate of say 100 firearms or for a collector with a large collection trying to downsize from say 100 to 50?

It seems like both of those scenarios should be protected under the latter portion of the definition.

 

[JSH1]

How will the ATF know who sold 5 guns with no paperwork and who sold 50 with no paperwork?

Almost every gun I've sold has been advertised online, sold out of state, and shipped to a FFL.

 

[JSH1]

I just want to note that the statement that Obummer makes at 5:28 is complete and utter BS. "We know that the STATES WITH THE MOST GUN LAWS tend to have the FEWEST GUN DEATHS". Does he really live in Washington DC or is he over in England somewhere??

Gun deaths per 100K people 2004 - 2010

http://projects.oregonlive.com/ucc-shooting/gun-deaths

 

[M-Cameron]

Gun deaths per 100K people 2004 - 2010

http://projects.oregonlive.com/ucc-shooting/gun-deaths

i would be interested to see the result if you subtract suicides and gang activity from that chart.

 

[JSH1]

i would be interested to see the result if you subtract suicides and gang activity from that chart.

It would be interesting. Rural areas have high rates of gun suicides and urban areas have high levels of gang deaths.

 

[Snyper]

You guys who think this is no big deal because it doesn't affect you have very seriously flawed logic IMO.

I see little point in getting all worked up over some rumors about what he "might do", or what some future President "could do".

I suspect it's all just talk, since he would have done it years ago if he really thought he could.

 

[gbran]

Anyone selling over 50 guns a year will be required to have an FFL

How would the authorities know a person is selling over the limit? These transaction likely are not recorded.

 

[jerkface11]

You guys who think this is no big deal because it doesn't affect you have very seriously flawed logic IMO.

It's been the law since 1968.

 

[danez71]

You can argue that this is legal/illegal. Maybe, maybe not.

But, I can most assuredly say that amending the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) is absolutely totally a clear violation of the constitution. As was changing dozens of the provisions of the green energy solar bill. As is giving breaks to the unions that supported him.

I generally agree with Obamacare but unfortunately the SCOTUS decided that it wasn't a violation and that's what counts.

But none of that has anything to do with the price of tea.

 

[yugorpk]

How many EO's concerning firearms have ever been reversed by incoming Presidents? Given most of the heinous firearms EO's were put in place by Republicans I doubt its any.

 

[xxmaa]

Get every one you know ,to sign up for" GOA' email list; (gun owners of America) they will send you a heads up and a letter (prewritten) to your senators/congressmen.they seem more potent than the NRA . When the camel stuck his head under the tent after , Sandy hook , they blew cheyenne
pepper up his nose! Good watch dogs that attack! The crooks
try to slip one over. GOA sounds the alarm , you sign the email . Th senators' secretary goes to work . Don't have to send any money but it helps!

 

[barnbwt]

Query: does he even have the authority to declare a hard and fast rule like that? Seeing as the ATF has always claimed vaugness was a necessary result of their being unable to write statute themselves.

TCB

 

[barnbwt]

"How would the authorities know a person is selling over the limit? These transaction likely are not recorded."

Gunbroker. Armslist. It's internet enabled local transactions they're after, remember?

 

[jerkface11]

Query: does he even have the authority to declare a hard and fast rule like that? Seeing as the ATF has always claimed vaugness was a necessary result of their being unable to write statute themselves.

TCB

If he accidentally broke the ATF it isn't our duty to tell him.

 

[CapnMac]

All over my morning news feeds today was his signing a new "law" making it illegal to publish the name of alleged mass shooters.

That one will last until the press is inconvenineced and takes up their 1st Amendment rights.

Frankly, I'm surprised he has not called upon congress to make mass shootings (four or more victims) illegal.

 

[TruthTellers]

i would be interested to see the result if you subtract suicides and gang activity from that chart.

I've always found it interesting that the liberals support assisted suicide, but are against others owning guns because they "increase the rate of suicide" in households.

 

[yugorpk]

I support assisted suicide and I really don't have much of an issue with unassisted suicide either. Does that make me a liberal?

 

[JSH1]

I've always found it interesting that the liberals support assisted suicide, but are against others owning guns because they "increase the rate of suicide" in households.

A terminally ill person in a lot of pain taking some pills to end it is a lot different than the teenager that blows their brain out because their boyfriend dumped them.

 

[sequins]

The only reason to outlaw suicide is that a free person would rather die than live in your pale mockery of a society. Suicide is the ultimate check against the state. What sane person would rather die over a life in society unless society were poison.

 

[Twiki357]

So, does that mean that anyone who sells less than 50 a year is not “in the business” and would be exempt from license requirements?

It would be interesting to see just how the ATF would know how many guns were sold since no license = no records of sales. Maybe online sellers could be IDed but from what I’ve heard, it’s more the private gun show sellers that he seems to be targeting and I can’t think of any way of the ATF determining the number of sales.

 

[Ignition Override]

Snyper: True, no reason at all to get concerned. Obama picked the area of gun sales which might be the least risk to his political party.

One can already imagine the gloom and doom coming from some retail gun shop staff.
Finding ready, naiive listeners, the President's speech will be distorted into many things while combined with recent comments from
Queen Hillary. It's called profit.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

So....where's the actual LAW that says anyone selling over 50 firearms a year must have an FFL?

Enquiring minds want to know.