Obama announces new lame duck "gun control" scheme.

Status
Not open for further replies.
Our country can do worse by allowing those pro-gun voters who may be currently dissatisfied with congress' performance to actually NOT show up to vote. Then, by default, the anti-gun candidates win. That would be the pro-UBC, pro-gun-registration, pro-magazine-capacity-limit and pro-assault-weapons-ban candidates. An executive / legislative stalemate is better than loosing. Worse would be to allow the POTUS to be anti-gun and would elect SCOTUS and Federal judges.

I suppose that IF gun control gets enacted, then it’ll breed a next generation of those who accept it as they way it is. We can tell the next generations about our collections we once had.... :( <<<< [ DON'T let this happen ]

Captcurt said:
We haven't voted on anything for the last 7 years and our worthless Congress needs to be kicked out with the trash. But what does the average voter do? They vote for the same do-nothing "politicians" that has been in office for 10+ terms. We can only blame ourselves.

...
Click to expand...
 
Laws and executive orders;

Are written and passed all the time, federal, state, county, city. The vast majority of time no provisions are made to fund enforcement.
Can you imagine the time and expense for a sting operation to catch one person privately selling 50 firearms in one year. The coppers would almost have to buy them all themselves. Shoot, no pun intended, but I'd like to work on that squad.

No, there are other benefits to Obama and the gun grabbers that have nothing to do with workable gun control, or as the new politically correct phrase, "gun safety" and it's relationship to solving these terrible shootings. It's called "votes"
It has always been difficult for me to understand why the statute writing authorities think that simply by writing a law it will change society behavior.
The good and normal part of society doesn't need a law. The other part of society doesn't care.
 
Can you imagine the time and expense for a sting operation to catch one person privately selling 50 firearms in one year.
Click to expand...

Gunbroker.

Also, since this not a 'law change,' it cannot be ex post facto. That means POTUS can tomorrow direct the ATF to obtain a list of Gunbroker sellers with more than fifty 'firearms' sales, press charges after verifying the sales, and we'll find out after a few years & millions of dollars whether they stuck (or whether everyone was forced to take plea offers for the sake of their families' finances)

TCB
 
Are written and passed all the time, federal, state, county, city. The vast majority of time no provisions are made to fund enforcement. Can you imagine the time and expense for a sting operation to catch one person privately selling 50 firearms in one year.
Click to expand...

I read this and immediately thought of some guy selling guns from his "trunk" and law enforcement actually trying to figure out if he sold more than 50 guns in a year. Ridiculous. Law enforcement has more important things to do with their time.
 
I was at a large Gun Show Saturday. At one table of guns there was a sign that said "Estate Sale." On the other end of the same table he had a sign that said "Buying, selling and trading for guns."

So one sign suggests he was selling a private collection so he didn't need a FFL and the other that he was in the business as a Firearms dealer.
 
The last gun show I attended had several tables occupied by individuals with dozens of guns for sale. They also had signs on their table that said "Private Sale No Background Check Required".
 
I doubt any of those guys moves 50 guns in a year. Around here they are at every show with the same guns.
 
Obama is desperate to say he did something about guns and fiddling with the regulations is the most he can do without involving Congress.
 
With this being his last year in office, most people don't care what he has to say anymore. I think people are tired of rhetoric and then he does nothing.
 
Yup and this proves just how little he can do.
Click to expand...
So true. When you stop and consider just how incredibly insignificant this change would be to 99.99% of gun owners, and how he's grasped onto something that even the BATFE doesn't want, you get a great picture of how tied his hands really are and how desperate he is to make even the most hollow show of "doing something."
 
His golden opportunity was after Sandy Hook, he's so inept, he couldn't even do anything after that incident. 34 Democrats bailed on Feinstein with her BS AWB bill.
 
Hmm, EO says 50 guns a year, law says on a regular basis.
If I decide to "thin the herd" and sell off 51 guns this year after selling none last year and no plan to sell any next year, does that make me a "dealer?"
The law says not, but will they harass me on the basis of the EO?

It may be the purpose of the BATF to prosecute and the court to decide, but if the feds get your number, they can ruin you with no conviction at the end.

We had a guy who was the sort of person the EO seems directed at. He was at every gun show in the area with numerous guns for sale or trade. But for some reason they could not justify prosecuting him for doing business without a license. Then one day some people complained that he had sold their innocent child (i.e. hulking late adolescent) a gun. And out of state at that. WHAM. They came down on him like a ton of bricks with a clear case.
 
The law makes an exemption for people who are selling their collection or part of it.

(C) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section

921(a)(11)(A), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing

in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal

objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and

resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes

occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement

of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his

personal collection of firearms;
Click to expand...
 
Prove how many guns I sell or trade in a year, if any...let me know when you have the answer. I don't care what arbitrary limit they set either...unless ATF has the resources to monitor each and every private citizen who buys, sells or trades their firearms, this is just a bunch of feel-good BS designed to give the perception that Obama is doing, something.
 
It really doesnt affect anyone . It is a feel good look I'm taking a bite out of crime thing. First guy that gets nailed on it can take it to court and get it overthrown if he feels like throwing a bunch of money at it.
 
I guess Eric Holder will need an FFL before his next shipment to Mexico.

Can't help but see the irony in wanting to license gun hobbyists to force them into doing background checks after the big push to jack up FFL fees to run all the small "kitchen table" dealers out of business who would have been doing the almighty background checks.
 
According to our president he signed 23 in one day, January of 2013 if memory serves.
Click to expand...

There is a difference between "executive actions" and "executive orders". An "executive action" can be anything from a simple statement to directions to an executive agency to accomplish a specific result.

Obama's "executive actions" on gun control was pandering to his anti-gun base. The hoopla about Obama's "executive orders" on gun control are mythological stuff. There are no "executive orders" on gun control.
 
How is this a form of gun control? Sounds like it would require anyone selling 50+ guns annually to have an FFL. If I understand that correctly, I'd say it helps things. Inevitably, a recurring topic is just how many guns a person is allowed to buy and resell for a profit without being an FFL before it becomes a legal problem. It's been a gray area, and this addresses that in simple black-and-white terms, which is how it should be.
 
The ultimate problem is that so far as numbers are concerned, nothing is frozen in stone. It can be increased (unlikely), or decreased (quite probable over time). :uhoh:
 
jerkface11: "Yup, and this proves just how little he can do".

Without the lobby efforts of the NRA-it's not all volunteer work-where would the situation be right now? Do the anti-Sec. Amendment politicians hold themselves back from even more legislation out of the goodness of their hearts?
This question is addressed to all of the readers, whether members, lurkers, gun owners complaining about the extra NRA junk mail they must haul away etc.

On a minor sidenote, in tonight's Dem. "debate", if you can call it that, surprisingly (to me) Jim Webb seemed to describe gun issues clearly and in their proper context, in very stark contrast to all other candidates. Among other points, he did point about politicians surrounded by bodyguards, where people in some cities have no armed self-protection.

alsaqr: When the ban on continued importations of just one type of Russian 5.45x39 ammo (the so-called armor-piercing 7N6) was issued, using Russia's seizure of the Crimea as a pretext wasn't that an Exec. Action, via the ATF?
 
Last edited:
And the latest on executive action from the White House:

Megan Cassella, "Obama may act to expand background checks on gun sales", Reuters, Thu, 31 Dec 2015.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-may-act-expand-background-checks-gun-sales-163519155.html

"... requiring more small-scale gun sellers to be licensed and to conduct a background check whenever selling..."

Jim Acosta and Kevin Liptak, "Obama to announce new executive action on guns", CNN, 3:10 PM ET, Thu, 31 Dec 2015
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/31/politics/obama-to-announce-new-executive-action-on-guns/index.html

Bloomberg's Everytown heavily involved in drawing up the proposals.
 
If Obama could do more, he would.

He knows this is an issue he really can't push his luck on.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

hso
  • Locked
In CS Monitor - How FBI's Dylann Roof gun snafu hurts Obama's gun control agenda
Replies
18
Views
1K
Ryanxia
Ryanxia
T
  • Locked
New way to control guns...
2 3
Replies
52
Views
3K
rcnixon
R
Speedo66
  • Locked
House Fires First Shot, So to Speak, on Universal Background Checks
2 3 4 5
Replies
116
Views
5K
Robert
Robert
W
  • Locked
Gun Control Could Damage Democrats:Catching Fire From All Sides
2
Replies
28
Views
2K
Dorryn
D
C
  • Locked
Help Me Demolish My Anti-Gun Aunt's Gun Control Scheme...
2 3 4
Replies
89
Views
4K
r1derbike
R
Back
Top