Objects with self-defense capability for weapons-restricted areas?

[LeontheProfessional]

Take some judo classes. They can cost some but you take it everywhere. This way if push comes to shove you will know how to hit the ground without getting injured, and subdue people who are much larger than you, use their weight against them.

Judo, jiu jitsu, or even some self defense courses like I posted above will take you much further than any blunt/ pointy object ever could.

 

[cleardiddion]

A good solid metal-bodied pen.
Ball point or with a well, it doesn't really matter.
A mid price-range Parker comes to mind; you can find those pretty much anywhere, relatively cheap, and pretty solid stainless steel body.

 

[jojo200517]

They questioned the AA minimag that Karen had in her purse, turned it on to make sure it worked.

Tell me they were smart enough to open it up and look in before they clicked it on? The outcome wouldn't have been so good if it had been a bomb and they turned it on. I'm in no way advocating that. Sure it woulda been found, all the roadside bombs that go off when they are run over in Iraq are found too, but its the least ideal way to do it.

 

[shockwave]

In some of the other discussions here, it has been noted by authoritative voices that your best defense is to avoid trouble before it starts. By the time you are drawing a firearm, you're in the last-ditch scenario. Don't be there if you can avoid it. And maybe you can't avoid it. But if you can, avoid the confrontation.

Martial arts training teaches the exact same thing. If you have to use your skills, then you were too careless because you didn't avoid the problem when you had the chance. Situational awareness is critical and it's interesting to me to see that gunfighters and unarmed combat experts have the same philosophy. So if you're looking to learn martial arts skills, you'll acquire the right defensive mindset as a matter of course and this will be a good add-on to your CCW skills.

An example of this came up today. I'd parked my car a bit away from other vehicles at the supermarket. Walking back to the car in the dark, I paused a moment to assess the surroundings, then continued. That's the difference.

 

[icanthitabarn]

I'll admit, it wasn't my idea. I read about it on the net, probably here.

 

[Stainz]

I carry a Surefire E1b 'Backup' everywhere. It's small - but an effective light that has some hand implement/weapon applications, too. Not as good at that - or as a bright light - as my E2D LED 'Defender', but not as bellicose looking, either. A pocketable light of it's abilities is not an extravagance, either. I have needed it, too.

The cane is a great idea. I feel better legally carrying a firearm, however... as you'd expect.

Stainz

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

Tell me they were smart enough to open it up and look in before they clicked it on? The outcome wouldn't have been so good if it had been a bomb and they turned it on. I'm in no way advocating that. Sure it woulda been found, all the roadside bombs that go off when they are run over in Iraq are found too, but its the least ideal way to do it.

In Domodedovo I was held up because their airport security thought my Surefire G2 was a lighter.

When I finally remembered what the russian word for flashlight was the lady simply started pressing the button, and then when she couldn't turn it on (turning tailcap) she handed it to me so that I could activate it.

 

[p35]

An observation: Generally, dealing with criminals is a hell of a lot safer than doing family law. Generally, someone charged with a crime is able to consider the situation rationally once they've had time to sober up and calm down. In a dispute over a man's relationship with his children, though, there's no end point, no solution that everyone can accept, and often no way to reach acceptance. I still remember, probably more than 10 years ago, when some guy gave his wife a 9mm divorce in the hallway of the King County (Seattle) Courthouse- by the next week most of the courthouses around here had metal detectors. Of course, most people deal with it rationally in the long run, but it's not "most people" that scare me- it's the ones with personality disorders.

In the 20 years or so I've practiced law, I've gotten pretty good at picking out the individuals with personality disorders or other issues that make them unstable (some of my worst problems have been with drug users who, now that they're clean, hug me every time they see me). My wife likes to bake cookies, and I make sure the security guys get some in their break room around Christmas. When I have a case coming up with someone I suspect of being a potential problem, I stop at the security desk and say, quietly, "This guy has a hearing in Courtroom 4 at 9:30 [for example] and I think he's unstable. Could you get someone up that way just in case?" One time I said the the security guy "I hope I didn't get you up here for nothing" after doing that and having nothing happen. He said "They aren't going to go nuts with us standing there watching. Better that you warn us in advance so we can prevent a situation."

It's not perfect- I used to work in one courthouse that had a set of little airport type lockers in the front hallway with a sign that said "If you're carrying a gun please check it here." Really, though, being aware in advance goes a long way. If there's a crisis I hope to be able to stand back and let the troops with the Tazers, vests, handcuffs, and guns deal with it. If I get into a fight in court (and I have a couple times) there's been some bad planning, not necessarily by me.

 

[MillCreek]

It's not perfect- I used to work in one courthouse that had a set of little airport type lockers in the front hallway with a sign that said "If you're carrying a gun please check it here."

Hmm. My courthouse in Everett has this same arrangement.

 

[p35]

But in Snohomish they actually have a metal detector and guards on the door, right? That's the part they can't afford in the rural areas.

 

[MillCreek]

You are absolutely right on the detectors and guards. We have a bank of lockers right before the detectors where you can secure anything that does not pass through the detectors. The annoying thing for me is that the orthopedic hardware in my left hip from a bicycle crash consistently sets off the detectors at most of the local courthouses.

I have not been in a really rural courthouse for quite some time now, and was unaware that everyone was not doing at least a hand-held wanding.

 

[agent slice]

When I was in high school and getting bothered by a bully, my Father taught me that a stiff magazine can be rolled tightly, and the end can be used as a striking weapon.

not the most efetiv idea i heard.


as i said before i cary a clipbored and i alos cary a walking stick but one
thing i would not recmend is tactical pens. Tactical Pens: 1. are very expensive, 2. it's hard to take a pen or marker thru security if it has smith & wesson or Cole Steel written all over it. 3. A sharpie will work just as good as good as any of these things, but is not very noticible.

One thing noticed suggested here is breath spray. ( breath spray, the hot & spicy kind) can be used like pepper spray in an emergency defense scenario.
One more thing that I would not recommend is pencils, they break apart to easily.

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

not the most efetiv idea i heard.

It might not be a tactical ninja-to blessed by the ghost of Muramasa's auntie , but a tightly rolled magazine is going to deal some serious blunt forced trauma in a determined thrust.

What I often had on my person when I was in Los Angeles was one of those mini-newspapers like a Penny saver or community newsletter (can be found everywhere on Montana st. in santa monica )
Those newspapers can be rolled tightly until it feels like rock.

 

[bikerdoc]

Quote:
When I was in high school and getting bothered by a bully, my Father taught me that a stiff magazine can be rolled tightly, and the end can be used as a striking weapon.

BTDT. As an ER nurse I used a rolled "Southern Living" magazine to educate a bully.( Code named the ENT tool, Eye, Nose, throat)

I would not recommend is pencils

As a jail nurse I picked a lot of pencils out of inmates faces, throats,and other body parts.

 

[hso]

I used a standard #2 pencil to "distract" a fellow 50 lbs heavier who had grabbed me by the arm once. He released me and focused his attention on the pencil sticking up out of his forearm. I decided he didn't need any more help from me and went about my business. I'm sure a good ball point pen would have left the same "impression", but I might have wanted to recover it. The pen might be considered mightier than the sword, but don't overlook a nice sharp wooden pencil.

 

[7X57chilmau]

Many folks over-estimate the toughness of the human body. Ultimately we are quite fragile creatures. Any object, magazine, pencil, pointy stick.... They're all perfectly adequate for impromptu defense against unarmoured assailants. Especially when they're the best you have at hand.

Folks who have worked in or *sigh* spent time in prisons become very familiar with this concept. A weapon must but concentrate (pointy implement) or store/amplify (club type implement) the force you would otherwise deliver with bare hands.

J

 

[agent slice]

first of all i would like to apologize for the bad spelling in my last post (if i spelled any thing wrong) i was in a hurry to finish it.

a tightly rolled magazine is going to deal some serious blunt forced trauma in a determined thrust.

As a jail nurse I picked a lot of pencils out of inmates faces, throats,and other body parts.

i think you misunderstood me,i was not saying rolled up magazenes and
pencils would not work i was just saying there are better alternatives

Just so you know, the reason why I did not like the idea using a rolled up magazene as a weapon in an emergency defense scenario is because it takes a long time to roll it up tightly enough to be used as an effective impact weapon.

 

[shockwave]

BTDT. As an ER nurse I used a rolled "Southern Living" magazine to educate a bully.( Code named the ENT tool, Eye, Nose, throat)

The voice of experience is easy to hear. Also, a chair is an excellent weapon. It has many handholds and the feet can be used for jabbing, it can be swung like a club. How 'bout a nice hot cuppa coffee in the face?

 

[06]

I used to take staff when doing Kung Fu and open hand(fist). A closet rod makes a formidable weapon especially if you have a pointed end of some kind on it. Anything to put distance between you and the assailant will work. For close in work just remember the more vulnerable points and don't be squeamish about tearing out an eye or throat if such is needed. Like others have said, if it comes to "hand to hand" then you have let it go too far by letting them get close.

 

[content]

Hello friends and neighbors //For courthouse visits, I like a roll of quarters in my right pocket and a strobe light in my left .

I carry my Solar force L2 with the shortened body and a AA set on strobe/pulse. This alone can be a great disoriention/distraction device. I practice shooting my snubbie while using the strobe any time I am alone at the range. The strobe or pulse flashlight would be my first choice. It is very effective day or night, and you have the advantage of temporaily blinding the assailant before contact distance is reached.

I also have the longest sturdiest key I could find ( I think it is a Nissan)on my key ring. It seems to be a little sharper/pointer than my other keys, I'll have too check into that.

I tend to wear hard sole shoes. I doubt an attorney could wear hiking boots, but you see what I mean.

I have seen and like the bullet proof briefcase and there should be an acceptable pen out there.
In place of the water bottle I carry a small metal thermos. The base has a nice edge and it tapers up to a handhold size just above the cup.

A whistle is great low tech combo with the flashlight anywhere.

Good thread, I have learned a few things. Thanks

 

[hso]

agent_slice,

You roll it up as things get tense or you carry it rolled up.

 

[agent slice]

You roll it up as things get tense or you carry it rolled up.

Neither is practical for me.:banghead: The reason why I can't roll it up on the scene is because I can't roll it tightly enough fast enough. The reason why I can't carry it rolled up is because a lot of people will recognize it as a weapon, and think "what the heck is that guy doing?"

ps.I hope you have a good morning and a nice day

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

LOL!
A rolled up magazine as a weapon?

When I wear a coat, I always either roll it up and stick it in the inner breast pocket, or in another pocket.

The "Penny Saver" type newspapers can be folded into hard little sticks, and fit in any pocket.

 

[TimboKhan]

he reason why I can't carry it rolled up is because a lot of people will recognize it as a weapon, and think "what the heck is that guy doing?"

No, they won't. A rolled up magazine is simply a rolled up magazine. People can think it is a weapon all they want (which I highly doubt will happen to begin with), but in the end it is a magazine.

 

[alsaqr]

It is hard to beat a long church key beer can opener as a close in defense weapon. When we lived in WV I taught self defense to females as a part of a rape prevention course. I taught each student how to tear an attackers face off with a church key beer can opener. Gave each of them a church key and a small can of Easy Off oven cleaner with a stream nozzle at graduation.

One day I got a call from a LEO in the southern part of the state: He wanted to talk with the guy who told ladies to repel attackers with Easy Off. The LEO told me that one of my students was attacked: She hosed her attacker down with Easy Off. The guy was blinded in one eye and his face and neck were disfigured.