Obligation to Disclose That You Carry When at Someone's House

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how many of you would get all butt hurt if they noticed and ordered you out?

That's their right.

I just don't ask permission for a laundry list of things before I enter a house. Most of the time, they're a non-issue because nobody mentions them.

There's no expectation that someone carrying concealed will inform anyone, at least here. That's not part of standard etiquette.

If you don't want me to wear shoes in your house, that's fine. But you have to tell me; I'm not going to ask if there's no reason to ask. I also won't ask whether you have any problem with atheists, or libertarians, or dog lovers. Furthermore, certain things would cause me to leave someone's house, with the clear indication that I was leaving because I thought that the resident was a jerk that I wouldn't lower myself to spending any more time with.

That stuff works both ways. But unless there is a particular etiquette about something, we don't all present anyone with a list of rules when they enter our homes, or we enter theirs. If I don't want Mormons in my house, it's my business to tell people up front; it's not their obligation to ask.

Guns are not magical things. A lot of people carry concealed, and nobody ever mentions it unless there's a good reason.

I expect people to keep any potentially-dangerous items safe from the prying hands of children, and I expect to do the same. But that's got little or nothing to do with firearms, specifically.

You know, I think the question itself comes from a childish perception of firearms. I had it, too, at first. But after you carry on a fairly-regular basis, and you meet other grownups who do, also, you stop getting all giddy whenever you carry. It becomes routine, and you don't think about it much. When you get to that point, it seems downright strange to think that you would have to go around telling people you have your gun whenever you pass through a doorway.
 
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I would say with friends and family that know you are a responsible person, there is no need to inform them and make a possible issue out of it. All of my friends assume I'm carrying, as do their (sometimes liberal) wives. We all just don't talk about it.

As for the "strangers" question, I would say absolutely notify them. Or better yet, do not go into strangers' homes at all. If I allow you in under the claim that you are a traveling salesman or Jehovah's Witness, and I notice you have a gun things are going to get very uncomfortable. People have been robbed and murdered by people claiming to be salesmen, repairmen, etc; and I'm not going to appreciate you carrying in my house if I don't know you.
 
My house my rules.........Everybody better be packin seems like the way to go! Poker night is always fun!
 
A couple of thoughts...

If they make some comment about arguments causing violence, I just point to the knife rack and ask them how many people they've stabbed

No, and let's please stop this silly analogy. It sounds dumb the first time you hear it, and it doesn't get better with repetition. A firearm is not a knife. It's a firearm.

I carry because I want to be protected on my way there and back, and also in case an armed home invasion happens while I'm there.

Yeah. Doncha hate that? You're sitting around, watching the football game, and an armed home invasion breaks out. Then, after you clean up all that mess, you're out having a barbecue in the backyard and - whoops-a-daisy! Another violent armed home invasion occurs. Later on, at the end of the evening, you're saying your good-byes in the foyer and, yep, as usual, armed home invasion.

There's some people I know that I really like, and they have nice dinner parties, but I've stopped visiting them because of all the pesky armed home invasions they have. The dress code can be tough, too: white tie and ski mask. Nobody sells white ski masks anymore. And you ever try to get duct tape adhesive off a metal watch band? I'm tellin' ya...

The etiquette on all this, by the way, is that the homeowner gets to make the rules. If I'm visiting somebody's house, chances are that I won't be arming myself. If I do have a gun with me, I'll probably leave it in the car. Seems discourteous to the host to walk around his house with a sidearm on, but if it was somebody like Hickok45, then we'd probably go out shooting in back of the house and that'd be a different story.
 
Sounds like I'm the odd man out...

I won't carry a concealed weapon into someone else's home unless I know that they are o.k. with it. If I don't know for sure, I leave it at home or in the car. If I need to ask, then I obviously don't know for sure, and will default to leaving it secure in my home or vehicle.

I enjoy shooting sports. I have at times hunted or used guns to eliminate pesky vermin, I deploy firearms as a vital part of my personal security strategy. And I have strong views on the constitutional freedoms that guarantee my right to bear arms.

Yet guns are not the central, defining element of who I am.

So I don't feel the need to bring the subject of guns into every human interaction, or to seek opportunities to announce my opinions and views about gun laws, or to liberally sprinkle gun lingo into every conversation.

Fortunately, I live in a free state which has a historically strong hunting culture and also has one of the lowest crime rates in the union. I don't think I take gun rights or gun culture for granted, but rather, I simply enjoy those rights and the freedom to do or not to do. I guess it's different in other parts of the country, so I'm not going to chuck stones.
 
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Yet guns are not the central, defining element of who I am.

So I don't feel the need to bring the subject of guns into every human interaction, or to seek opportunities to announce my opinions and views about gun laws, or to liberally sprinkle gun lingo into every conversation


I'm with you SSN.
 
So many posters are saying, "My house, my rules". Where is it you post these rules? How do you communicate these rules to folks that come over?

The only rule I ever heard any home owner proclaim was that they like to have everyone take off their shoes when they enter the house.

But if it isn't the law to request permission to enter someone's home with a concealed firearm, why would one ever ask? How would it come up in conversation? How would anyone ever know?

Concealed is concealed as long as its legal. I don't ask if my small folding knife is OK. I don't ask if my leatherman squirt is OK. I don't ask if my NRA membership card is OK. And to keep on this underwear theme, I DEFINITELY don't ask if it is OK if I wear my wife's panties in their house either... :what:

And for those of you who no longer talk to family members simply because you don't agree with their politics, I feel sorry for you. You are missing out on some wonderful relationships. I hope it is worth it for you. It probably isn't though.

And one more thing to a previous poster. A holstered firearm IS safer than a car in a garage! At least the 2 house fires where I knew the homeowners would lead me to believe that.
 
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If it's concealed then it shouldn't be an issue.

If they have expressed the fact that they don't allow guns in thier house it's a simple matter for me not to visit them.

I agree with all except the "not to visit them" part. If they're good friends I'd respect their wishes. I would, however, try to get them to change their mind.
 
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Yeah. Doncha hate that? You're sitting around, watching the football game, and an armed home invasion breaks out. Then, after you clean up all that mess, you're out having a barbecue in the backyard and - whoops-a-daisy! Another violent armed home invasion occurs. Later on, at the end of the evening, you're saying your good-byes in the foyer and, yep, as usual, armed home invasion.

There's some people I know that I really like, and they have nice dinner parties, but I've stopped visiting them because of all the pesky armed home invasions they have. The dress code can be tough, too: white tie and ski mask. Nobody sells white ski masks anymore. And you ever try to get duct tape adhesive off a metal watch band? I'm tellin' ya...

I went to work one morning at 5:00am. At 5:05am one or more persons jumped my fence and entered my backyard. My three dogs ran out the doggie door and chased him/them out of my backyard. Thinkig I must have locked the dogs in the back yard, the perp(s) then proceeded to kick the front door in to my house and entered. My wife (now-ex) was sitting in the living room at the time and screamed. The dogs re-entered the house through the doggie door and chased him/them out of the house.

Your argument does not particularly carry a whole lot of weight with me.
 
Your argument does not particularly carry a whole lot of weight with me.

I think that the poster was referring to people actually entering his home invited for a BBQ or what not and there being an invasion. In your case it's pretty much clear cut that they were not invited.

But if it isn't the law to request permission to enter someone's home with a concealed firearm, why would one ever ask? How would it come up in conversation? How would anyone ever know?

Simple, if I knew them I wouldn't ask them in the first place. If I didn't know them, I probably wouldn't invite them in the first place, but if I did I 'd ask, I'd expect them answer. Most of my friends have at some point in the past asked me. Now they no longer ask me.

I assume someone is safe with a firearm they own until they prove otherwise, just as I assume someone who owns a car is relatively safe with it. If I didn't, I would have died of stress long ago just from driving to work and back every day.

Anywhere but my house I would too. I try to keep assumption at a minimum here.

And for those of you who no longer talk to family members simply because you don't agree with their politics, I feel sorry for you.

I agree. I'm not likely going to abandon my 84 y/o grandmother because she doesn't like guns.

It's an interesting topic
 
I have no problem with someone bringing their gun into my home so long as its not removed from its holster for no reason and if they are staying it is secured from any kids when not carried. That is how I conduct myself at someone elses house. Sure there are times when guns are drawn and looked at being passed around by those interested but that is at the place and time decided by the host.
If there is a ND expect to get a first class ass whipping on your way out the door.
 
Came to this thread a bit late - its already on page 3! But wanted to mention if carrying concealed and having to hug someone....
My uncle always takes a gun with him when he leaves his house and usually wears it in the front. For years at family gatherings that might require hugging, he would lean forward and hug with the arms only, keeping the rest of his body well away. As a child I always thought he had a back problem, until as a teenager my dad explained that was to keep his gun away from other people. My first thought was never 'oh he's got a gun' and I'm sure other folks don't realize as well.
If its concealed properly I think its no one's business.
 
My gun is less important than my friends.

I'd feel like a fool is I chose my gun over them. So I'd just not tell them.
 
I've carried for three years now, and to me this has been a non issue. The decision to carry is a private matter, (to me) and the subject does not need to come up if I have a firearm in someone else's home, except in the very unlikely chance that I would need to use it. Then I would assume that my host would be grateful that I had had it.
 
I just don't talk about it, and I give no one any reason to think I might be carrying. Some friends know that I am a retired LEO and assume that because of my current position I may carry. They sometimes half-jokingly ask about it and I always half-jokingly give them a non-answer.

If a true friend knew and asked me not to carry in his or her home, I would certainly not do so. If a more casual acquaintance knew--truthfully, an improbable scenario--and asked me not to carry in his home, I'd respect that, but that might be expressed by a decision to excuse myself.

However, I truthfully don't get the notion of telling others that you carry a concealed weapon. I truthfully think that this generally happens when a person wants to convey to others that they are James Bond-cool. Instead, they come across as Pee-Wee Herman-dorky.
 
I agree with all except the "not to visit them" part. If they're good friends I'd respect their wishes. I would, however, try to get them to change their mind.
I like to keep things simple.

It's like this, my good friends all know.

If they're anti's, then they'll never be my GOOD friends.
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You might want to look into your state laws ... you may be -required- to let them know. You are in South Carolina.

But then, everybody I know is already aware that if I have pants on, I'm armed.
 
Thank you all for your inputs.

A lot of you are saying that it's none of their business but people that are not familiar with concealed carry would argue otherwise since they view firearms as safety hazards. I am not saying they are correct to think this way but hey, that's just how it is. So for my family, me bringing a "safety hazard" into their house may not be received well. If everyone was educated on concealed carry then yes, I would agree that the "it's none of their business" argument would make sense.

Also, others argue that it should be concealed anyways so there is no way of them finding out. Well, with an IWB holster there is always something you can do that will make your firearm print, unless you are wearing a heavy jacket. Therefore, there is always a chance that you stretch or bend a certain way that will cause the firearm to print and them to find out.

I am guessing I will have to ask them for permission. I would rather know where they stand (most likely they will say to leave the gun in my car) than to have them find out once I am already in their house and then have them wonder how many times before I had gone to their house carrying this "deadly item". It's just not good PR and it may even cause them to distrust me or feel as if I deceived them and endangered their lives.
 
It's none of anyone's business if I'm carrying a gun. I am legally allowed to CC, therefore nobody has any legal justification whatsoever even asking me if I have a gun, except maybe LEO in certain situations. It's concealed and it's staying that way. If anyone at anyplace has any objection to that, I can say with the best of my knowledge that I won't be visiting that location again. :)
 
It's none of anyone's business if I'm carrying a gun.

If it's their home, indeed it is their business.
 
Fact is, you need to know the laws. Would you like to lose your permit because you didn't, and someone called the cops?

(The rest is just opinion. Feel free to skip the rest, may or may not be relevant.:D)

I always inform. And I have never had anyone say anything at all. I only visit friends or family. And all of them know that I carry anyway, so it isn't a big deal. Also, pretty much everyone I know is either in the military, a hunter, or a shooter. Happens when you are in the military for a while. My actual biggest concern is that someone (especially a child, an overly friendly dog, a touchy feely drunk) could get their hand on it while I was distracted.

For liability issues, even if I wasn't stationed in SC right now, I would expect that you tell me as a guest, that you are bringing a gun into my house. I would also expect that you also show all the other manners of a good guest. The homeowner is pretty much always liable in civil court over anything that happens on your property. If there is a possibility that there could be a problem while you are my guest, whatever it is, you should inform me. Mostly because I am awesome at solving problems, but also because it would really suck for me if your raging ex tracked you to my house and kicked in the door and I turned him or her into a pink smear on the wall.

I also would expect that if we had plans to watch the 'big game' or whatever, and you were sick and possibly going to pass it on, I would prefer that you sit this one out. Nor do I really want to see you come over all hung over and pass out on my couch. Or track dirt all over my house, etc. It's just manners. Even in someone else's car, whom I know smokes, I will still ask before lighting one up.

But on an amusing note, I would actually get patted down by my friends if I ever told them I wasn't carrying. No one would believe it. What's really funny is that people still think that, even though some of them know my permit has lapsed. :banghead: Going to fix that once I get a free Saturday.

And I don't know why people get all freaked about anyone knowing that they have a carry permit. It's just another tool. No one ever mentions anything about any of the other things I carry that can be used as weapons, or are weapons. Guns are the hardware, it's the software that is more important. Just like the only real safety is the one between your ears, the real weapon is in the same place.

And no, AFAIK, I don't have to tell anyone that there are a hundred or so things in their house that I can kill them with, were I so inclined.
 
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