sonick808
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i too fudged the vote by missing the cali part. sorry :\
One chambered w/CCW? POLL
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Sam1911
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Yeah, I didn't catch the significance of this being specific to CA.
In most parts of the country I'd say definitely have one in the chamber.
In California ... well, I'd be tempted to try and see if I couldn't get TWO in there!
In most parts of the country I'd say definitely have one in the chamber.
In California ... well, I'd be tempted to try and see if I couldn't get TWO in there!
I think I found my new signature quote, if you don't mind me borrowing it!
Gottahaveone
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Ever tried racking a slide with your teeth? If I didn't feel confident in safely carrying one in the chamber, I'd find something else to carry.
I am not a Californian.
BUT- I have no problems carrying with a loaded chamber. I usually carry a DA auto with the hammer downand the safety on.
I have carried a 1911 .22LR clone cocked and locked in the woods as well as hammer down on an empty chamber, safety off, hot mag.
I would not feel comfortable carrying something like a Glock with a hot chamber. They are effectively single action pistols without a safety- they are an accident waiting to happen. More than enough cops and private citizens have "enjoyed" self inflicted gun shot wounds because Glock pistols lack a manual safety (ie. because of snags during holstering/ reholstering and errors in manipulation (joint/several liability). Glock should be on the receiving end of a product liability suit for marketing an unnecessarily dangerous product. They were able to incorporate a safety in their pistols to win certain military contracts in the past, yet the choose to continue endangering individual users and the public with an inherently defective design.
BUT- I have no problems carrying with a loaded chamber. I usually carry a DA auto with the hammer downand the safety on.
I have carried a 1911 .22LR clone cocked and locked in the woods as well as hammer down on an empty chamber, safety off, hot mag.
I would not feel comfortable carrying something like a Glock with a hot chamber. They are effectively single action pistols without a safety- they are an accident waiting to happen. More than enough cops and private citizens have "enjoyed" self inflicted gun shot wounds because Glock pistols lack a manual safety (ie. because of snags during holstering/ reholstering and errors in manipulation (joint/several liability). Glock should be on the receiving end of a product liability suit for marketing an unnecessarily dangerous product. They were able to incorporate a safety in their pistols to win certain military contracts in the past, yet the choose to continue endangering individual users and the public with an inherently defective design.
SMMAssociates
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G36Rick:
The problem with the Glock safety setup (and similar ones in similar guns) is that it's really not much good if you get your shirt stuck in there while holstering, or some such.... Mostly between-the-ears issues, really, though. It's NOT going to fire unless you press and hold the trigger under almost any condition except stray bits in there, or a very wrong holster. (I kinda like the grip safety on the otherwise bare XD, but I also tend to hold the fool thing down when holstering. Big help....)
Deus:
A well maintained 1911 is probably quite safe with the hammer down on a loaded round, unless the hammer itself is manipulated improperly by the operator or "surroundings" - clothing, etc. What's very wrong about it, IMHO, is how you drop the hammer....
For all of this, probably the safest is the old S&W M39-style safety. Backwards lever (curse them), but the hammer is irrelevant 'cause the firing pin is locked down solid. As long as the lever isn't rotated (it's tough to do that when you want to!), it's not going to fire. You can also carry one of those (hammer brought down by the decocker!) with the safety off (some models just supply a decocker) with only slightly less safety than a DA revolver. (That, IMHO, is probably how you should carry it if you're trained on 1911-style thumb safeties.)
Regards,
The problem with the Glock safety setup (and similar ones in similar guns) is that it's really not much good if you get your shirt stuck in there while holstering, or some such.... Mostly between-the-ears issues, really, though. It's NOT going to fire unless you press and hold the trigger under almost any condition except stray bits in there, or a very wrong holster. (I kinda like the grip safety on the otherwise bare XD, but I also tend to hold the fool thing down when holstering. Big help....
)Deus:
A well maintained 1911 is probably quite safe with the hammer down on a loaded round, unless the hammer itself is manipulated improperly by the operator or "surroundings" - clothing, etc. What's very wrong about it, IMHO, is how you drop the hammer
....For all of this, probably the safest is the old S&W M39-style safety. Backwards lever (curse them), but the hammer is irrelevant 'cause the firing pin is locked down solid. As long as the lever isn't rotated (it's tough to do that when you want to!), it's not going to fire. You can also carry one of those (hammer brought down by the decocker!) with the safety off (some models just supply a decocker) with only slightly less safety than a DA revolver. (That, IMHO, is probably how you should carry it if you're trained on 1911-style thumb safeties.)
Regards,
HuntAndFish
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Oops, sorry. California Only. I should have read the first post before voting.
MJU1983
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Always have one chambered. And nothing I carry has a safety except trigger.
HeXeD775
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Sorry im not in Ca, but my view is if you're not carrying hot whats the point. It's not like VCA will wait for you to rack one in. My intent is to have threat w/in sight picture in 2 sec or less w/ a round ready to deploy at any given moment after that. Even it i can't get sight picture im willing to shoot @ VCA's CM aiming from my belly & walk my shots up if neccessary to stop the threat.
As another poster on a previous threat has stated: Safety=Keep your booger hook off the bang switch unilt you are ready to fire.
As another poster on a previous threat has stated: Safety=Keep your booger hook off the bang switch unilt you are ready to fire.
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