Open carry, if its legal for you...

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Robers here love there money but it is not worth their life... I cannot remember one armed robbery here where a guard was on site. If I'm packing the robber will probably go away .. Not worth their life. Because if a guy is packing good chance he is a LEO or at least a good shot.

I don't OC, but i think most robbers will look for a easy mark not worth their life.

just my .2
 
A bank robber that sees me in the bank open carrying is much more likely to rethink his robbery plans than he is to draw on and try to shoot me. Come on people get real here.

What are you saying? You're more intimidating than an armed uniformed guard? I'm sure you're a swell guy, and probably more trained in lethal force than a hired bank-cop... But an armed-robber crack-head knows that?? Phu-lease...

Look, I'm philosophically all for open-carry, but these arguments that exercising carry-discretion is somehow shirking allegiance to 2A strike me as chest-thumping bluster.

Les
 
wrs840.

see what happens when you put your .02 cents in when you haven't read the thread? I never said anything about making a statement about 2a rights for or against. So that kind of makes your (to you) all important post insignificant doesn't it?

I guess you were more interested in padding your post count than you were in having anything relevant to say?:banghead:
 
All I'm saying is OC'r is less likely to be in the path of robber due to the fact there is easier targets out there like the guy CCing lol
 
The other side of that is a crack head sees you as having some thing that has value to them.

People on drugs do not think like you or I do.
 
I open carry when I have a need to. When I've been out hunting or shooting and I want to stop off at the mini-mart or Safeway on the way home, I have no problem open carrying in the store. Some people might do a couple of 2nd looks at me, but they can usually tell by the clothing that I've been out in the woods. Now, would I open carry all the time just to make a point of pushing my 2A rights? No, I wouldn't. Why? Because I don't believe in PUSHING any rights. In my house, I have the right to smoke. But if I'm having a party or some friends over, and I know that some of them don't smoke, then I don't smoke in my house. I'll go in the back yard. It's called being considerate.

Here's a good example. When you are at the beach or municipal swimming pool, you probably wear a bathing suit. And your hot wife or girlfriend might wear a bikini. Seems appropriate. Now legally; she can wear that bikini down town while she's walking around. LEGALLY it's not indecent exposure. LEGALLY she has every right to. And if it's 95 degrees outside, do you think she should EXERCISE her rights and wear a bikini down town walking the street. What about at your own house if you has some people over for dinner? She could wear a bikini; but it just wouldn't be appropriate. Yes, I can open carry in every square foot of the state I live in. And if I'm helping out at my friends ranch; where we open carry all over and also a rifle in the truck or on horseback; and if I have to run into town to the local hardware store for some materials, I will open carry. It is an appropriate place. No one thinks twice about it. And many of the little towns it's down all the time. But going into walmart or the mall just isn't appropriate.

So while I definitely understand and support whatever we can do to maintain our rights; even rights have an appropriate time and place. You have the right to vote. But NOT every day. Only on certain times of the year. You have the right to free speech. However, you can't say anything you want. Not if it infringes on the rights of others. But flaunting an open carry weapon, for the sole purpose of exercising your rights; is akin blowing smoke towards people in public because you're allowed to. It doesn't make it considerate.

So, when I have the need or because of convenience, I will open carry. But I'm not going to open carry to "EXERCISE" my rights. I will continue to fight for my rights through the systems in place. It doesn't do anybody any good to pee off a bunch of citizens who will turn around and put in bans on open carry; just like bans on smoking in public; just so you can say you exercised your rights. It WILL BITE you in the butt. Fortunately I live in a state that bases most of it's morals and values off of common sense. And when we can the far left radicals moving in from California, New York, and similar; (Not all people from those states are radicals); they learn quickly how we do things. And we DON'T allow them to try and change it. Not to go off topic, but we actually had a california transplant call the sheriff up and made him come to the house. She was complaining because DEER were going through her yard (15 acres). The sheriff appropriately told her to "Kiss his bottom end". And that she was free to MOVE away if she didn't like wildlife in Wyoming.
 
... And your hot wife or girlfriend might wear a bikini. Seems appropriate. Now legally; she can wear that bikini down town while she's walking around. LEGALLY it's not indecent exposure. LEGALLY she has every right to. And if it's 95 degrees outside, do you think she should EXERCISE her rights and wear a bikini down town walking the street. What about at your own house if you has some people over for dinner? She could wear a bikini; ...

I don't know about anyone else, but, for some reason, I am drawn to the idea of pushing for Bikini Rights ... :D
 
it isn't the way you depict responsible gun ownership to the general public.

If you're concealing, you're not depicting responsible gun ownership either. Not only have I never been hassled, or had anyone freak out, many people who actually notice ask a lot of questions and leave the encounter with an increased awareness. I'd call that responsible stewardship.
 
A bank robber that sees me in the bank open carrying is much more likely to rethink his robbery plans than he is to draw on and try to shoot me. Come on people get real here.

Real is the one crack head or other desparate crook willing to take your life to eliminate any threat. Are you willing to risk that and give up the element of surprise? Not to mention the possibility you might be suspected of compilcity in the robbery, at least initially.
 
I wouldn't open carry even if I could legally. It just ain't for me, but if it's legal for you, do it. I support ya bro...
 
SURPRISE IS NOT A DEFENSE TACTIC.

But quite often, blending in to one's surroundings is.

Isn't this thread really about purposefully not blending? Can we admit that?

The question is: does that serve or damage the larger cause of RKBA. I say: "it depends" on where one is. I'd suggest not walking into a bank with a gun on your hip. It serves no good purpose, and potentially puts you at a variety of risks, for all the reasons already stated.

Les
 
SURPRISE IS NOT A DEFENSE TACTIC.

You keep saying this, but a lot of modern one on one defensive tactics revolve around resetting the other person's reaction cycle (ooda loop, or whatever you want to call it). Just how do you think this is accomplished?

The other side of that is a crack head sees you as having some thing that has value to them.

But quite often, blending in to one's surroundings is.

+1 to both.
 
SURPRISE IS NOT A DEFENSE TACTIC.

Surprise is neither a defensive or offensive tactic. Its both.

You can surprise someone while on offense, in other words "get the jump on them" and you can surprise someone while on defense by doing something the attacker doesn't expect, like drawing a concealed gun. By OCing you lose that option.

Now I'm not saying it will always work, you have to be able to catch the attacker off guard and you may not be able to do so. However, if you can not find an opportunity to catch the attacker off guard while CCing you are certainly not going to do it once they are already aware you have a gun.
 
If you try to use surprise in a defense situation, you're likely going to spook whoever is attacking into launching their offensive early, and if they're holding a gun, that means BANG, goodbye.

If I were robbing a bank, I'd shoot anyone OCing before I even announced the robbery. Surprise! BANG, goodbye.
 
What about at your own house if you has some people over for dinner? She could wear a bikini; but it just wouldn't be appropriate.

Maybe. I once was at a co-worker's house for dinner and it turned out they were nudists.

Did they open carry? :) Now that would be an interesting sight. Memories.

I also would pay a lot more attention to folks that open carry than conceal carry. My first assumption is the open carry person is a cop, so if I was a bad guy, I would make my decision to either go forward with the plan or not. Probably end up on death row in the process.
 
I support the right to do both open and concealed carry. If I had to chose one it would be concealed.

If you only allow open carry it will point out the people who arnt armed, which is bad news for them. I like the idea of carrying a bigger gun but I think it's better to leave the bad guys in the dark.
 
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What? If I'm understanding your confusing wording, you won't be able to carry openly where you can't carry concealed.

California is "may issue", which typically means "no issue" in almost every county. However, open carry is legal in my county. So, while I basically cannot get a CCW permit, I can legally open carry.
 
Carry any way you want.

I can't carry openly here in Texas, and I'm not wealthy or crazy enough to test the waters by carrying openly just to prove a point. Having said that, I might if the option were available.
Other folks who live where open carry is optional can carry openly all day long. I support your right to do that. And please don't tell me your state DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL YOU HOW OR WHEN YOU CAN CARRY. Maybe they don't, but the rest of us have to deal with reality, and obey the law.
I do think that proponents of open carry who attack and belittle those who don't choose to carry openly are way off base. Just because someone doesn't think EXACTLY like you do doesn't make them wrong.

And we can bat this thing back and forth forever.
 
A right unexercised is a right lost.


I wish my fellow gun owners and carriers would open carry, even if once a week, once a month, or once a year.


I open carry everywhere and haven't had a problem. It's almost funny that people fear guns almost as much as fellow carriers fear open carrying. Irrational fear.

Thank you for your support!
 
Swell exercise in logic, there BhmBill.

Contemplate this: The reason I don't wear my bikini walking city streets isn't because I'm "afraid". It's about prudent choices about what's appropriate where. I OC around the farm, in the woods, while picking-up roadside trash, but CC everywhere else... just like I only wear my bikini to Mazola parties, and studly-dudewear everywhere else.

Les
 
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