Parent Says No To AR15: Needing Help

[rbernie]

GungHo, An AR would make a crappy deer rifle because its a combat weapon, its not designed for that stuff.

An AR can fulfill all of the requirements of a hunting rifle. I've got four AR's that I hunt with. They are all uniformly accurate (MOA-ish to subMOA with specific loads), well balanced, reliable, and my 308 AR10 and 7.62x39 AR15 are capable of taking just about any game I'm likely to hunt.

This is the kind of thing that a 'crappy' AR-15 (chambered in 7.62x39 and shooting handloads) can do - take down a 500lb boar at spitting distance.

That rifle has taken lots of game. Next week, it'll be in the field again. Funny thing is, that 'crappy' AR-15 will likely be the most accurate rifle in the camp.

If you cannot hit a deer with 1 or 2 shots you shouldnt be hunting.

Well, having a FAST second or third shot can be a real handy thing when a 500lb boar wants to get cozy with your leg.

How can having that capability be a bad thing?

 

[rbernie]

Also debating a Leupold VX-II 4-12x40 or 3-9x40.

I had standardized on the VXII 3x-9x/40 for most all of my hunting rifles. However, in the last year I've kinda decided that sometimes, especially if you get to jump a deer by accident in the thick brush, having a 2x or even a 1.5x on the low end can be a useful thing.

My 308 Vanguard bolt action wears a 1.5x-6x VXIII and my hunting ARs wear either a 2x-8x/40 Sightron SII or a 1.5x-6x SII Sightron.

I use the Leupold Rifleman see-thru Weaver style scope mounts to mount the optics on my flattop hunting AR's. They're the lightest, least expensive mount that seems to last well and that natually place the scope at the proper height.

This is what they look like on the rifle (in this case, an AR10):

HTH.

 

[The Deer Hunter]

Well if your hunting dangerous game such as boar i can see where an AR would be nice

 

[Run&Shoot]

Or, even dangerous deer. Back in the 1930s Depression one of my grandfathers hunted deer with his Win 94 .30 WCF. Only problem was that the economy being the way it was he could only afford to hunt with one cartridge.\\

Out West we still hunt rather than from a stand. As he is walking through the woods he jumps a deer just several yards away, and shoots. The deer spins around, as they sometimes do in their adreneline confusion, and runs right towards grandpa. Being out of cartridges he does a Davy Crocket and bonks the deer on the head as it rockets past him. Cracks the stock but slows the deer down enough for it to bleed out near by.

That Old West assault rifle would have been a might handier with at least a second round ready at hand.

More to the point of the thread though, many of us say things like, 'Fear the man who shoots one rifle." There is a lot of truth to that, because if a person uses one rifle for target, hunting and defensive training, then they probably know that weapon inside and out and will be able to adapt easily to almost any condition and any reasonable range.

Here is a young woman that plans to do just that. I say more power to her for getting to know her 6.8 SPC rifle better. If I had the discipline to choose just one of mine (maybe the Garand?) for everything I am sure I would be better with it, too. But I can't ignore all the others !

 

[goon]

Why all the anti AR stuff as a hunting rifle?
If it were legal to hunt with a semiauto in PA my FAL would be the only rifle I would ever need to own.
A good AR in the rifle caliber (my dad even hunts deer with a .223 since he only takes head shots) is just as good as anything else for deer.

 

[ScottsGT]

Why all the anti AR stuff as a hunting rifle?
If it were legal to hunt with a semiauto in PA my FAL would be the only rifle I would ever need to own.
A good AR in the rifle caliber (my dad even hunts deer with a .223 since he only takes head shots) is just as good as anything else for deer.

If he's good enough for head shots, thats great. But have ever seen the damage a .223 can do to a nice piece of meat? The wound cavity expands the meat so much upon impact that it would ruin a big secton of the animal.

 

[doc2rn]

Not for everybody

The best thing I could advise the young lady to do if her heart really desires set said AR is wait or buy it herself off of gunsamerica.com. Now I happen to agree with several views previously stated, first you will need a better scope, second you will need ammo which someone over 18 must buy, and last but not least have you looked at the Ruger Ranchero? It is a nice 5.56mm rifle, semi auto, same sights, same barrel length, same magazines can be used in either or, and comes in either synthetic or wood stock. The wood stock would eliminate some of your problem but not all as even the AK-47 has a wooden stock. It also costs get this around $400 complete. I believe they just want you to spend less on the rifle. Good luck.

 

[GungHo]

GungHo, An AR would make a crappy deer rifle because its a combat weapon, its not designed for that stuff.

Eh, it's a relatively light (if I'm carrying a 15 and not a 10... and even then, 10s are lighter than some target bolt rifles), quick to shoulder weapon that can easily carry a variety of optics. The wonderful thing about ARs is adaptation. Pop a couple of pins or throw a couple of levers and you can go from a short carbine to a service rifle to a space gun. Not many rifles can do that for you.

The main points i would see of an AR for hunting would be the fact that you have 10-30 rounds and less recoil.

Actually, when I hunted with an AR, I used a 5-round mag.

If you cannot hit a deer with 1 or 2 shots you shouldnt be hunting.

Please don't make assumptions of my skills -- and those of others who use a certain pattern of rifle -- as a rifleman.

 

[Drakejake]

SMG for Seven Year Old?

My seven year old boy wants a full auto submachine gun, but I am going to get him a Mini 14 instead. I want him to be at least nine before he owns his own full auto. Am I being too protective?



He, he, he! This is a joke! I don't even have a son.

Drakejake

 

[Anteater1717]

a kel-tek su-16 is a good gun there cheepish around 500 they have a rifle stock so maby the evil scarynis of an ar will go away they shoot .223 very cheep prety good balisticks they can kill a deer they are semi auto and mechanicly similar to ars

 

[The Deer Hunter]

Goon, if i was just going to get headshots i wold use my 22 WMR

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

All these posts are addressing 5.56. The original post was about 6.8 SPC.