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Hey folks need your knowledge. Will 2 50g triple seven pellets shoot the same as 100 gr of loose triple seven. I have not had time to shoot and see for myself.Thanks
I should have said, will the point of impact be the same or close with pellets and powder, same grain.
Where did you get that information from? I don't think I read that anywhere, nor is it on the Hodgdon website regarding triple 7.Theoretically speaking, the answer would be no due to the fact that regular 777 50 gr pellets are designed to produce velocities nearly identical to that of 50 gr of real BP. Since loose 777 must be reduced 15% by volume to match the velocities of equal volumes of real BP, (2) 50 gr pellets should theoretically equate to 85 gr of loose 777.
However. in the real world, many other factors come into play affecting the point of impact.
Where did you get that information from? I don't think I read that anywhere, nor is it on the Hodgdon website regarding triple 7.
whoseyrdaddy said:Well then, I guess that settles it. If YOU have never read this anywhere, and Hodgdon chose not to specifically disclose the information on their website, it must not be true.
I'll continue to operate under the assumption that ...................... PELLETS are in no way meant to be less energy than an equal amount of loose triple seven!.
Where did you feel my understanding of Black Powder and the various substitutes was in my mind a question?Rattus, the entire premise of the manufacturing of Pyrodex and 777 (and others now...) was to approximate BP AND offer a cleaner burning, non-corrosive (less corrosive is more accurate in my opinion) propellant for BP firearms. At the same time, BP and the various BP Substitutes are NOT, grain for grain, charge for charge, or pound for pound equivalent, nor should one expect identical results when using either or both propellants. That's all the posters kind enough to answer your questions have done their best to advise you. Can you get the same results from time to time or even on a somewhat consistent basis? Sure! However, the factors bringing the results in ANY case, irrespective of BP use or BP Substitute use are many and varied and are NOT relative ONLY to the type, brand, or grain weight/volume measure of the propellant in use at any given time.
Hope this helps your understanding a bit more...
... Will 2 50g triple seven pellets shoot the same as 100 gr of loose triple seven...
While it pains me to have to admit I might have been wrong about triple seven and triple seven pellets being that much less performance wise so that you can't count on going from granular to pellets with any sort of confidence and may have to buy several different pellet types in order to just get velocities close to loose powder.... I would like to ask you to show me on their site where they talk about the performance variables clearly... in other words, 100 grains of loose versus velocity with 2 50 grain pellets.No
777 pellets are designed to shoot the same as Pyrodex pellets to make switching over to them easier. Hodgdon says so right on their website
hodgdon.com/...
777 Pellets are only recommended for use with 209 primers, so if you use caps you may have problems. Also not for use with Patched round balls.
You can view quite a bit of ballistic comparison data on Hodgdon's web site of 777 powder vrs 777 pellets vrs Pyrodex powder vrs pyrodex pellets that makes it clear to expect different vellocities between 777 powder and 777 pellets.
follow this link...
http://www.hodgdon.com/ml-warning.html
then click the disclaimer and click "Get Muzzle loading Data" to view
While it pains me to have to admit I might have been wrong about triple seven and triple seven pellets being that much less performance wise so that you can't count on going from granular to pellets with any sort of confidence and may have to buy several different pellet types in order to just get velocities close to loose powder.... I would like to ask you to show me on their site where they talk about the performance variables clearly... in other words, 100 grains of loose versus velocity with 2 50 grain pellets.
Aloha...
Actually you have to research the whole thing to get any sense out of it and getting data for the same bullet is difficult across the powders... such as a 240 XTP for example with Pyrodex/777 and pellets. Not always is 3F more powerful than 2F, as you suggest. The 400 grain TC 400 grain bone crusher with 100 grains of 2F is higher velocity than 3F. There were many other examples as well.The link in my previous post takes you to some really great info/data, but Here is a direct Link to 3 Page PDF on the Hodgdon Web Site that I referenced...
muzzleloading_manual
This document lists actual Hodgdon test data, and could give you a good starting point to get an idea how a charge you may be considering will perform.
On page one you can see the first of dozens of examples with a 175 gr "Dead Center" projectile with 2 50gr 777 pellets = 1878 fps velocity. On page two you can see the same projectile loaded with 100 gr 2F 777 achieves 1891 fps velocity.
the Second example that is in both charts is a 200gr T/C Shockwave projectile. 2 50gr 777 pellets = 1876 fps & 100 gr 2F 777 = 1903 fps
Several of the subsequent examples have significantly larger differences in velocity, but some loads might end up being close enough depending on what you are looking for.
These charts also confirm that 100gr of 3F 777 achieves even higher velocities than 100gr 2F 777.